These might be the good old days. Go outside, feel the grass, say wassup to your neighbors,… whatever you do that means community, because sh*t might get bad for a while.
I just hope if he loses, it’s by a wide margin so there’s no challenge. Just decisive victory and we can all move on….
Don’t underestimate their tactic. For the republican presidential campaign, they will recognize only one of two outcomes: victory, or election tampering/fraud/manipulation. And, the wider the margin of win, the stronger the rhetoric will be.
Trump insisted he won the popular vote in 2016. That was him setting this whole thing up.
As long as he loses I think it’s mostly good. He currently does not hold the levers of power, and I think as much as his supporters like to play the victim, I think a second loss will lead to evaporating support. Hard to pretend to be a strongman when you look weak
A second loss should be a death knell of the current Republican party. He won’t transition any of his power to Vance or any other Republicans. He could die and we still would see 10% of the Americans to vote for him in 2028 because his death was just media propaganda as far as they are concerned.
Stop teasing me with best case scenarios.
His breakfast Big Mac could still go down wrong this morning.
I can easily see the party fracture, Republicans and MAGA. If they do split it may be a while before they come back into power.
10%? Try 25%-30%
His rallies have fizzled and I suspect this year (unlike 2016) a lot of these attendees were paid for their attendance, hence the common early exodus we have seen from his “supporters”.
Expect the challenge. I’ve been watching the usual suspects on Twitter, they’re completely bwashed into thinking there’s only one possible outcome, and if it goes against them it means there’s been election fraud. They’re already calling it a landslide.
Trump will challenge no matter what the margin is, if he loses. He will never concede because he’s a narcissistic loser and his moron followers will blindly do his bidding, especially on the next January 6.
This, after ten years of this orange baboon dominating the headlines and flinging shit everywhere I’m ready for it to end.
I hoped for his removal.
If we are being honest I suspect this election will be tight. Let’s try not to pull a democrat this time. In 2020 they voted to uphold the election without any recounts because there was a democrat majority in Congress. When you are elected leader it is your job to serve the people. They should’ve at least looked into Trumps claims even if they were fabricated.
They did… and found nothing except an occasional republican fraud. The facts don’t matter to facists.
I voted Trump but I completely agree. We need a landslide, even if Harris wins. Anything else gives the bad actors on either side fuel for an already out of control fire.
Sorry, but I just had to take a peek at your profile. You claim to be on an autism spectrum, yet you voted for a man who will - as the first order of business - make your very life extremely miserable.
That is my take. May I ask what is yours?
I’ve never been one to believe fake political fear mongering bullshit. The right does it too. He’s not Hitler. He’s not going to go after disabled people. It’s bullshit lies. We’re getting more of his first 4 years if he wins.
I sure hope that’s the case. Are there any particular resolutions you hope he can pull through in his term?
Im hoping his foxus is on dropping energy prices mixed with lowering taxes on tips or overtime or social security. I know he wants to do all 3 but we know all 3 probably won’t happen because that’s how our politics works. Nothing ever happens fast
You do realize that lowering the energy prices will be at a cost of dropping climate policies? Are you not worried about the earth changing drastically as we speak?
It has changed before us. It will change after us. To me climate change is a non issue.
so basically the entire reason you voted for trump is schizophrenic economics. When you could’ve voted for kamala harris, who has actual real tangible economic policy.
Lol that’s bullshit and you know it. She lost anyway so her lack of plans no longer matter.
It dosen’t say what Trump said.
Former President and current Republican nominee Donald Trump has been accused of once saying that it may be better for people living with serious disabilities to “just die.” The startling revelation was laid out in a new book authored by Trump’s nephew Fred Trump III the son of the former President’s older brother Fred Trump Jr who passed away in 1981.
bOTh SiDEs 🙄
What we need is to slow down and take everything slowly. Don’t rush and recount and investigate if needed.
I agree with that.
Like. Did people forget how insane everyday was when he was President? Like you never knew what was gonna happen he was always wanting the attention.
I’m just going to keep riding this horse until it fucking dies but the very first thing he did was take everything Obama did during his presidency and throw it out the window, including the pandemic playbook.
That playbook would have given us step by step instructions and reactions to deal with any type of suddenly erupting national pandemic like Ebola or coronavirus.
And because of this, which was by all measures a racially motivated attack on Obama, more than 1 million Americans died in a badly managed pandemic.
Trump’s racism killed a million Americans.
It undoubtedly exacerbated the problem for the entire world and his total kill count is likely much more than that.
How can you let somebody who genocided millions of people through racism sit in the oval office?
It’s a cult. They have people denying COVID ever existed. Heartily rejecting vaccines.
There’s just too much to list but it only ever makes sense if you take whatever he’s doing as right and readjust everyone around him to work does it ever make sense.
The fact that this election is even close is absolutely insane to me.
Se simply by popular vote because people are supporting that shit, knowingly or unknowingly
Well maybe if HARRIS killed Millions of Americans SHE could have WON this Election!
exactly what i was thinking about. it was such a tense and shameful period.
It’s crazy that the vote is apparently close. Really goes to show how many “average” americans have utterly lost any connection to actual reality and have guzzled enough of the kool-aid to believe the weird whacky world of wonders the religious fascists constantly conjure up.
I wonder though, is this ultimately a failure not of the education and internal offices, decades ago? We let schools let people down, leading to them becoming undereducated terrible parents who let their kids down and made them vulnerable to be exploited by republicans and churches and crypto grifters. :(
Racism and misogyny. That is all it is.
Large part of the country was built on that foundation. Shocking how proud of it they are.
And propaganda. LOTS of propaganda.
That’s not all, probably not even the main one. It’s a major cost of living crisis and impoverishment of average people while companies and the richest get richer. Neither the Ds nor the Rs want to do anything against it, they get their money from there.
The people kinda understand this. But they’re not intelligent enough to distinguish “actually changing the system” with “just saying they’re gonna change the system”, like Trump does. Trump is always talking about uprooting the deep state and bringing an “average person”(white middle/lower class) perspective to politics, and people just gobble it up and believe it because he’s kinda good at talking with conviction.
Of course the misogyny and racism is part of it and an extra, but it’s not the main reason at all. For some people it is, of course.
That’s a really black and white way to look at it. These are complex issues. Any attempt to find a simple explanation to them is by definition going to be oversimplifying it massively.
Dont take polls so seriously. Even pollsters know that they have no idea how accurate they might be.
I woke up every day worried that we’d nuked Spain overnight.
“There’s a horse. In the hospital.”
Yes.
Just as insane as it is today if you ask me
Of the Dems win and they don’t put a boot on the neck of this fascist movement it will take over eventually.
But that would require them to reign in the very same companies that sponsor them. One can hope, but it seems unlikely.
Companies don’t want fascism, they just want tax breaks. Civil war and dictatorships are bad for business.
Fascism is very good for businesses. They squash dissent like unions and the publics voice. Then only the billionaire class will have a voice.
Billionaires in China have been disappeared before. There’s only the head of state that matters in fascism.
Only the chosen few businesses, and entirely at the whims of the dictator. Your CEO pisses off the leader, your business goes bye bye.
Fascists weren’t bad for companies like VW, BMW, and Hugo Boss.
Tell that to Volkswagen, BMW, Messerschmitt, Audi, Deutsche Bank… And all these guys: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_involved_in_the_Holocaust
It’s a cult of personality. Jack Smith and the Judiciary just needs to step on the gas as soon as the election is called for Harris, get him gone. It’ll be interesting to see where the GOP goes from there, but MAGA will be dead. Would anyone else be happy with your normal everyday NeoCons running the GOP again?
Us on the left need to stop depending on a government whose military is overwhelmingly in support of Trump. We already know nearly all police are the same fascists (not to mention uvalde)
Arm yourself and train your family. Be silently ready for anything, don’t make yourself a target
If the US military was overwhelmingly in support of Trump Jan 6 would have gone completely differently.
Top brass seem to swing the other way though. These are generations that tangled with Russia and china for decades now. They see much more behind the curtain than others do.
My sisters biological father just retired as a captain from New York City Police.
When the subject of homosexuals came up one time he got all red in the face in was stopping about how he would use his AR-15 against any gay person that talked to his (adult) children.
During the Floyd protests I overheard him talking on the phone about shutting down Bridges to prevent movement.
There is a video on YouTube of him kicking down a memorial well the family of the deceased are crying on the street. He brings us up with pride.
He is a die hard maga fascist. He was a leader for hundreds of officers. He is their example
Luckily the police and the military have a bit different standards. Army generals are mostly well educated and very well read men who deal with the whole world and not just their neck of the woods, and possibly more important is that in the world of the military they do not have the monopoly on violence. They have to deal with adversaries who are equals and thus changes the power dynamic A LOT. A police captain can in the end just escalate all the way to the national guard and stomp out anything… in the military they cannot as their escalations immediately leads to deaths and escalates all the way to nuclear Armageddon. So luckily they are of a different breed.
But now, trump might replace the top brass with his loyalists, (loyalty > competence) fast tracking some appointments of people that normally not have made it to that level.
The guard rails are off… the world is in for a wild ride.
He literally said that he would do that, citing the loyalty of Hitlers pawns as the example to live up to. This isn’t hyperbole these are the words that came out of his mouth.
Whoever he puts in power will not uphold the Constitution or the rights of our citizens. He will exact the wishes of their leader without question. They will be hired based on this ‘loyalty’
Yup, he said he will. I don’t know how this works in practice, but this is dangerous. Project 2025 is very clear about stacking the institutions.
I see a path where we become very similar to Russia. Oligarchs controlling the nation with absolute loyalty to a single leader. An all powerful alliance that would erode our freedom until journalists are assassinated by the military at the president’s orders.
We already have the largest prison population in the world, imagine if Trump gave them an offer to fight for him or remain in prison, just like the mercenaries in Russia
This ^
Here’s the problem with that, though. It’s not going to be like there will be roving goon squads going from door to door snatching away your wives and daughters or anything. Even the MAGA-heads are just barely clever enough not to form themselves into any kind of entity that you could physically fight.
Instead, they’re going to chip away at everybody with asinine laws and legislation, selective enforcement and remote harassment, by filing mountains of frivolous lawsuits, etc. They’ll seize property. They’ll get you fired from your job. They’ll kick you off of your health insurance and freeze your bank accounts. Those responsible are never going to actually expose themselves in any capacity in which they can get got, because they’re cowards; they’re going to hide behind their desks and layers of security and fences and metal detectors and cops and the secret service. If it turns to outright violence vis-a-vis war in our own cities, it would be monumentally stupid for them to send troops marching down the street, and they won’t. They’ll just remotely bombard an entire city block and blame all the collateral damage on “leftists” or “wokeism” or whatever. And idiots will believe it, and then blame the victims.
“That’s ridiculous,” you say. “The government would never bomb anyone on US soil.”
Operation MOVE
The police literally fire bombed American children in an American home
I think everything you said is correct but you are forgetting that Trump said he will give immunity to all police. That means that police can now break the law, they can rape and kill you with immunity. You don’t think they’re going to use this to their advantage?
I don’t know if you’ve known any leadership in policing, but they are bloodthirsty. My sister’s biological father is a recent retiree from the NYPD as a captain. You would not believe the stories I’ve heard in the conversations I’ve overheard him have with his officers. I’ve actually recorded some of them just in case. Many of them seriously want a reason to kill someone and get away with it.
Like what happened after the last presidential election?
Which fascist movement? american or israel?
Y’all queda
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I wonder if those folks who cast a protest vote for Jill Stein will be sleeping soundly tonight… I sure hope not. I hope they’re fucking terrified.
Of course they are sleeping soundly. They’d literally be marching into the camps convinced they did the right thing.
“F ė brıf momimt, Uı þıŋk ð establicmint lṙnd itſ leſėn…”
spoiler
“For a brief moment, I think the eetablishment learned its lesson…”
With how few actual thoughts go through their minds I’m sure they’ll sleep well enough.
Isn’t Jill Stein effectively a republican asset at this point? Like not just a spoiler candidate but one actively funded by the right?
Yes, and actively rooting for Trump to win.
Voted PSL, and yah, I am terrified.
The difference is I am also terrified about what will happen with the Democrats in power. About the unlimited slop being handed to the military-industrial complex so they can ship guns to Israel to continue a genocide. About the crackdown on immigrants and refugees. About the global poor being crushed under the bootheels of American-led capitalism.
To support the Democratic party is to actively decide to place less value on the lives of non-Americans, something I simply cannot do. You want to vote for Harris as harm reduction, be my guest. But understand that the problems facing America cannot, and will not, be solved by voting. Voting should be an absolutely minor thing in the totality of your political actions. Join, start, or support a union. Find what mutual aids groups are nearby, and participate. Join protests. Pressure your local politicians. Support your comrades in their direct action campaigns. Build political power that is under your control, not the control of a system invented in the 1700s by a bunch of wealthy white slaveowners.
Voting should be an absolutely minor thing in the totality of your political actions. Join, start, or support a union. Find what mutual aids groups are nearby, and participate. Join protests. Pressure your local politicians. Support your comrades in their direct action campaigns. Build political power that is under your control, not the control of a system invented in the 1700s by a bunch of wealthy white slaveowners.
Totally with you!
Voted PSL, and yah, I am terrified.
Ah, you lost me. You see a problem, but you seem to be unwilling to accept that there are incremental steps to solving that problem, and the first step is to make sure Trump loses this election. If you aren’t doing everything you can to effect that result, you are, to put it simply, fucking up.
To support the Democratic party is to actively decide to place less value on the lives of non-Americans
Netanyahu wants Trump to win, and with good reason. Harris might not have good policy with regards to Israel / Palestine, but Trump’s is indisputably worse, if you aren’t staunchly pro-Israel. Furthermore, Harris is better in pretty much every measurable metric including climate change, where Trump’s “Burn it all down” policy would doom us all.
To be clear, if I was going to be a single issue voter, climate change would be that issue, not foreign policy, because if we fuck that one up, everyone loses.
It’s cool, though - I’m sure the people dying in Gaza if Trump wins will understand that you couldn’t vote for “better” because it wasn’t “perfect”. Your 12-16 year plan for change will surely make them feel better about their situation, when Trump is encouraging Israel to do whatever they need to to end the conflict quickly.
If you’re so concerned about 3rd parties being a spoiler, then you must work towards replacing First-past-the-post voting in your state.
With a more representative electoral system, people would be free to vote for those they feel best represent them, with their vote still being counted against the republicans.
State level electoral reform is possible, some states have already done away with FPTP voting, and others are voting on it!
Given how this structural flaw in our voting system can be repaired, and your high level of concern of the spoiler effect, I invite you to my asklemmy post to discuss your new commitment to replacing FPTP voting in your state after the election.
replacing First-past-the-post voting in your state
Yeah, well, incidentally, ranked choice voting was on the ballot in 2020. We had a sign out encouraging people to vote for it, and I talked it up to whomever it would listen when political discourse came up, but it didn’t pass, so here we still are.
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You definitely are going to sleep better by not supporting any criminal with blood on his hands. There’s many other things other than voting you can do to change things for good, if you are not fine with Jill Stein and believe she’s evil don’t vote for them either
Hahahahhahahaha you think Trump is the last guy to feel threatened by? The dude was just the starter. There’s a whole movement now with tons of corrupt politicians who will try to get a shot at the presidency. I’m thinking about the Florida governor for example.
USA is a country with a lot of inequality, if not rising inequality, so a fertile breeding ground for populists. And it has an ancient voting system that always gives a two party system so perfect for this kind of polarisation. The system with campaign contributions will also make sure nothing changes about inequality and is making things worse. Yeah, it’ll happen again.
The voting system is so insane. I mean sure, back in the 18th century it made sense due to the travel required, but the fact that americans still use a voting system from that time says it all really…
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Madison/01-10-02-0065
There was one difficulty however of a serious nature attending an immediate choice by the people. The right of suffrage was much more diffusive in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of the Negroes. The substitution of electors obviated this difficulty and seemed on the whole to be liable to fewest objections.
Nothing to do with travel, it was just the only way to launder slave votes
You’re right in concept but DeSantis utterly fizzled nationally. Even in Florida he’s aging like last week’s fish.
Trump is still around though. I bet FL man takes a big step up in popularity once that’s no longer true.
If he had been a hit I expect he would have been in the VP slot. I think/expect he’ll fade away into lucrative consulting gigs and rake in the dough.
Only because he fucked up and went after the Mouse lol
Mouse will fuck you up
They still killed Reedy Creek which I still find surprising.
Jeb Bush?
I think you mean Jeb!
Please clap.
“Please clap”
You mean Dicksantis?
Yeah that douche.
People around the world already live in terror of what USA government may do to them
Exactly. OP is most privileged take, most useless “allies”.
And the thing is: Trump is not a clever man. In fact, he’s blantantly, obviously, ferociously stupid. He didn’t just appear out of nowhere. The rest of us have been watching this dog eat grass for the last 50 years.
I can’t beleive the number of New Yorkers (NYC residents and expats) that trust Trump. He has wreaked havoc across the city and metro area with terrible buildings, stiffed contractors, and constant financial mockery. His post-TV show perception has done an insane job of making even the most affected people forget what a sack of shit he his. They really think 1. He runs businesses well due to his continued financial growth and that 2. Running the country like his businesses will somehow benefit them, the national equivalent of those laid off from his private endeavors.
So anyway, that’s how I know they just racist assholes.
Trump and team don’t need to win the election. They just need to make it tainted with enough irregularities that it forms the basis for the entire thing to be called into question. Even if that evidence is created by them. And this time they’re more prepared for that outcome. They’ve had years to work on his scenario.
The court cases and investigations will go on for years.
Doesn’t need to win a vote at all.
They already won culturally, as they managed to shift the political culture closer towards theirs. They also managed to set issues that are “theirs”. We see the same shit in Europe, were supposedly progressive parties are implementing the wildest dreams of racist anti-immigration, anti-refugee, anti-science and authoritarian surveillance state policies that the fascists dreamed off. All in the name of “stopping” them, while neglecting actually relevant issues like social services and infrastructure investments. Rinse and repeat and by the time the fascists take over all they have to do is remove the remaining formalities of division of power and democracy.
The major difference is that he’s not president this time, Biden is. Republicans only control the House, and that control is narrow. He will try, but he has very few people in government who support him this time.
That’s true… They just need enough to start a civil war (and the entire point by Trump, and the rest of his cronies is to stay out of prison).
And all he needs to do, is start a coup, but not be 100% upfront this time. And he’s been sowing those seeds… He also needs to take over the justice system and the voting system (and he’s been trying to do that too). The idea, like dealing drugs or the mafia, is to try to put measures in place so that other people get blamed
Frankly that is BS
Anyway what happens if he wins fair in square? Would there be a group of people who refused to accept it? Maybe even a violent mob on the capital?
I think both sides need to chill. I’ve seen so many people questioning the polls even though there is little evidence to back it up. We don’t need mobs from either side causing chaos. I think a lot of uncertainty is coming from US adversaries who want to destabilize the US. It is scary how well it is working.
Also calling the election into question isn’t a problem by itself. If they want to do a recount that is perfectly fine by me. I think it is way more important to have accurate results. Follow the law and official policies. If doing a recount means settling a dispute then go for it.
Also, vote if you haven’t yet.
Yep, already dropped of my mail-in ballot in person and received an email from the county election supervisor that my vote counted 🤠
I voted, but since I’m not in a swing state I wouldn’t go so far as to say my vote counted.
House and Senate matter far more than the presidency, without them the president has very little influence on policy with exception of veto power.
With 2/3 control, the president wouldn’t even have veto power and would be entirely powerless.
Vote for your congressional representation! This is the one day that the little guys can determine the policy direction of the country.
I voted mostly for my local elections. Those are sometimes determined by a dozen votes and can have a huge impact on day to day life.
Iowa wasn’t considered a swing state till the Selzer Poll. Thank you for helping to build consensus!
Not with that attitude.
I don’t think I can
I like your optimism but I think he was just the test run.
Honestly, I doubt it. Even if he loses, he’s still going to be spewing his mouth diarrhea nonstop and his cult will still believe the shit he says. Also, I’m thinking the Republican party will continue his shit. He created a new Republican party. They’ll keep pushing candidates who will act and do shit like him since he’s been very successful in fooling his base.
Policy-wise it is the same Grand Old Party. The vibe and rhetoric is different, but the policy is mostly all there.
Indeed, he didn’t create the party, he just says the quiet part out loud.
I think if he loses theres a good chance that the people behind him will knock him off.
You know what works better than a hero? A martyr.
I think if he wins he’s a dead man.
He’s great for getting elected, but terrible in power, so use him and lose him, blame it on the other side.
No reason to leave such a chaotic idiot in actual charge of anything.
Hope I’m wrong, he’s like Hitler, he always gets in his own way.
The best part will be if he wins, those in power will just sit around with their thumbs up their butts waiting for fascism to take over on Jan. 20th.
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The first time he was elected, it was still inexcusable to vote for a known racist, rapist asshole, but nobody thought he’d actually make a serious effort to destroy democracy. It’s been a well-known fact ever since.
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Can’t the president do anything he wants right now??? 🧐
No, only what the SCOTUS allows him to. Democrats aren’t allowed to do anything.
There’s surely no chance he can win… the last fortnight has been an utter shit show… I can’t see how it would even be a contest to be honest
I thought the same thing in 2016.
Then I drank so much I blacked out for two solid weeks
… Fuck, I’m like 60% sure I did the exact same thing.
I remember telling my (trump supporter) father the night before the election in 2016 something along the lines of: “You don’t think this clown actually has a chance, do you?”
You said nothing this year, right? RIGHT!?
😂😋😉😳
I haven’t spoken to him since late 2021, so we’re safe in that regard.
The fact that you said fortnight implies that you don’t truly understand the animus of rural america
I live in rural America and kids around here play fortnight all the time
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ive been disconnected. what happened?
The last election was almost perfectly 50/50. It think it will be very close this year as well.
People outside the US have always been terrified of what the US president might do. Imagine if China had military bases all over the world.
Valid take. The military industrial complex is a terrifying ordeal.
The Kenyan Ambassador to the UN once addressed criticism of his country’s relationship with China thusly:
“Every time the English visit Kenya, they bring a lecture. Every time the Chinese visit Kenyan, they build a hospital”
We haven’t been
If Trump loses there are the next two months of wondering how many people will die around the inauguration, then the next two years of wondering what the project 2027 people are going to do, then…
The only way to stop this is to fix the US system. Fix the courts. Fix the elections. Fix gerrymandering. Fix the right wing control of the media. Fix the lies from the “news”.
A law that said the press can not be for-profit, would never happen, but would probably help
