Yo linux team, i would love some advice.
I’m pretty mad at windows, 11 keeps getting worse and worse and I pretty done with Bill’s fetishes about bing and ai. Who knows where’s cortana right now…
Anyway, I heard about this new company called Linux and I’m open to try new stuff. I’m a simple guy and just need some basic stuff:
- graphic stuff: affinity, canva, corel, gimp etc… (no adobe anymore, please don’t ask.)
- 3d modelling and render: blender, rhino, cinema, keyshot
- video editing: davinci
- some little coding in Dart/flutter (i use VS code, I don’t know if this is good or bad)
- a working file explorer (can’t believe i have to say this)
- NO FUCKIN ADS
- NO MF STUPID ASS DISGUSTING ADVERTISING
The tricky part is the laptop, a zenbook duo pro (i9-10/rtx2060), with double touch screens.
I tried ubuntu several years ago but since it wasn’t ready for my use i never went into different distros and their differences. Now unfortunately, ready or not, I need to switch.
Edit: the linux-company thing is just for triggering people, sorry I didn’t know it was this effective.
Resolve works on on linix but make sure you check that your codecs are supported.
Gimp and Blender are both available on Linux. VS Code is on Linux (most coding stuff is on Linux). Linux file explorers work pretty well (Dolphin, for example). I’d recommend Kubuntu, KDE neon or Linux Mint for the distro, all are pretty similar in appearance to Windows. It won’t take much learning with them.
You sound like a dick, and “Bill” is not involved anymore. That’s like yelling at Steve Jobs.
Regardless, I just switched a dozen people in my company to KDE Neon with no issues. Full hardware support. They’re all using Thinkpad, mostly the T16
pretty done with Bill’s fetishes about bing and ai.
I agree with all your points, but Bill Gates has no agency on the company’s decisions these days. Blame Satya.
“What you read is not what’s happening in reality. Satya and the entire senior leadership team lean on Gates very significantly. His opinion is sought every time we make a major change.”
No agency you say?
Well, shit!
The NVIDIA proprietary driver recently got decent update, but not all necessary changes might be in distros just yet. It should be pretty complete ootb experience in a month or two. My advice is to use something recent, like Fedora or Arch{,-based} for the easiest time with NVIDIA.
Affinity and Corel don’t have Linux ports (like most big commercial productive apps sadly), and running them with Wine might be possible but can bring mixed results, see https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=18332 https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=5321 Canva seem to be available and they distribute it via AppImage. Gimp is native and trivial to install on most distros, or even bundled by default. If you want to try Windows software with Wine, use Bottles.
Blender is native and available in any Linux repo as it’s FOSS app. Rhino 3D looks like possible to run with Wine…
Linux version of Davinci Resolve is available, but it’s famous for being a bit of a pain to install and being slightly limited with some codecs/functionality missing.
You should be fine with coding unless you wanted something like .NET and full blown VisualStudio. VS Code is ok.
There’s wide range of file explorers on Linux, and since it’s rather good idea to stick to whatever is default for your desktop (For instance Dolphin on KDE) you can even change the default to something else if you don’t like it.
It would be actually hard to get something with embedded ads on Linux desktop. Canonical tried with their Amazon „integrations” in Ubuntu like 12 years ago, and boy did they regret…
Even .NET isn’t terrible on Linux. I mostly write in C# using .net stuff myself and I’ve yet to have any compatibility or performance issues running on Ubuntu. I can’t speak to graphical side though as I’m mostly backend or command line tools.
You can use JetBrains Rider for C# (.NET), it’s available natively for Linux, you can download it as a flatpak: https://flathub.org/apps/com.jetbrains.Rider
Most .NET development is arguably superior on Linux than on Windows. I would certainly say this for web or cloud, especially if you are using containers. Mobile dev is a bit more of a pain. Obviously if you are building desktop Windows apps explicitly then that is better on Windows. However, if you are building cross-platform .NET apps ( eg. Avalonia or Uno ), you are back to Linux being better.
If you like a full IDE like Visual Studio then you want Rider on Linux ( which is better than VS even on Windows IMHO ). If you are a Visual Studio Code person, you can use that on Linux natively. Of course, if you are a neovim or Emacs user, we are back to Linux being better.
Many distros ship .NET in their repos these days. One issue with that is that you may want to update .NET more often than your distro does. While you can do that, I think it is best not to do that. For this reason, I think choosing a distro that stays up-to-date is best for .NET dev. My recommendation would be an Arch derivative like EndeavourOS. EOS includes .NET in the repos and provides very timely updates.
Edit: the linux-company thing is just for triggering people, sorry I didn’t know it was this effective.
So you’re a dick. Got it.
ad hominem much
Anyone that uses the word triggering like that is kinda a dick ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Doesn’t matter, we should attack the argument not the person.
He literally admitted to posting to trigger people. I’m stating fact that by doing so he’s being a dick. The motives of the person matters and he came in here with the purpose of pissing people off.
Clearly it worked for some.
Clearly it worked for some.
I think it clearly worked for you.
Looks to me like a little joke buried in a sincere post. You can make more out of it if you want, but I think you’re being a little bit curmudgeony.
First of all Linux isn’t a company, but the name some dude named Linus gave his code he put for free on the internet.
Most modern Linux distros are still not run by companies, that’s why they don’t force the data collection, ads, ai etc down your throat.
That said: Linux is made from thousands of interlocking programs, scripts, services and libraries, made mostly by some guys or gurls in their free time. So with a lot of stuff you need to fit it to your needs, as granular customization is to troublesome to have working out of the box for every different usecase there could be. So with most stuff you should not be afraid to learn the basics of terminal commands (packet manager, editor, foldermanagment)
Some OS like Ubuntu and manjaro do a lot for you, but if you have weird double monitors, you may need to manually do some stuff.
If you want as much as possible easy install options I would go with manjaro - then you can install everything where users made an AUR (arch user repository) package. Check if they have all programs you want, if not look for alternatives.
If you want a more stable system but with a bit less possibilities, go for Ubuntu, debian, popOS or something like that.
Some things may never run, for example for my music daw(ableton) with low latency and not native support on Linux or andbvive wireless (where there isn’t a driver for the PCI card for Linux) I keep a win machine around. Day to day use is on debian on my side
Linux is made from thousands of interlocking programs, scripts, services and libraries, made mostly by some guys or gurls in their free time.
That’s not entirely true: Most work is paid for in some way, eg. by foundations, employees of companies which need a feature or freelancers commissioned to do some work.
OK, point given What I meant was, that most distros and programs depend on some level on code written by individuals or at least without profit incentive --> therefore for those bits of code the developer isn’t liable in the same way. Sure, the core of libre office is written by programmers payed by the document foundation, but it nevertheless uses libs which are not, and therefore have not the same level of customer support or liability as Microsoft word would have, where they build most stuff in house and get played handsomely
if you have weird double monitors
Is having more than one monitor “weird” to most Linux distros? I guess I’m a huge weirdo for having 3 then…
Nah, but it sounded like its integrated in his notebook somehow AND having double touchscreens, which could have proprietary drivers or some dumb caviot. Normally having multiple monitors is not a problem (if you don’t mind windows spawning with their top bar out of frame and stuff in wayland kde)
I really miss ableton too
Not going to push Ardour if your brains are wired for Live, but have you tried Bigwig?
(Tho Ardour has Clip Launchers now, wink wink)
No sorry man, it’s my british humor coming out. I needed to bait some linux users :) I’m one of those evil people who works in marketing. But thank you for the tips, I do appreciate it!
I knew it was a troll post.
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Company called Linux
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Only mentioned programs that work in Linux
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The general way of writing
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How much of the question was sincere and how many of my time was wasted? XD
I’m one of those evil people who works in marketing.
Yet here you are, complaining about the ads in Windows. Are you sure that you can go without them? :-D
I’m sure you’ve seen it many times, but I love Bill Hick’s take on marketing.
Ahah correct! But in all seriousness, i believe ads are drastically changing right now (ai is just fuel on the flame). Good advertising is great, fun and builds community, which is the end goal in my humble opinion.
If you force me to use/install a product without telling me why, just because “trust me bro I’m Microsoft”, you are just pathetically insecure about your product and deserve 0 users.
The poison brewer would never try his own product 🙃
Don’t be sorry, the joke was funny, it’s just that you’re talking to this kind of crowd
This is so apt, I’m not a Linux user but I’ve seen so many on Lemmy this fits. One day I may join y’all… One day.
I wasn’t sure myself honestly, thought I’d check if someone else brought it up first
I think people get super excited to share the good news that it’s not a company behind it and all the benefits that come with that
I would swap out Manjaro for Endeavour.
I started off with Manjaro, and updates kept breaking shit. Only reason it was usable for me, was that I kept timeshift going so I could recover from an unbootable state if updates borked something.
Especially if OPs system is unusual, I wouldn’t trust Manjaro. I’ve yet to need timeshift on my Endeavour install, while setting it up to do the same things was no more difficult.
Fedora or opensuse are better options, stable and reliable
I approve of both of those options. Personally I simply find the AUR the most convenient community driven way to install software.
I use Fedora and I don’t remember what ever having trouble installing software, if it’s not in the repos, there’s a flatpak or appimage
Dude is just starting out, no matter what arch derivative you’re suggesting, it’s a bad idea. Flatpak is perfectly fine for installing fresher versions of those packages AFAIK.
My first experiences were Ubuntu and and pop OS and i t really drove me away from Linux, because especially with Ubuntu lots of the promised customizability and deep control wasn’t there (if you are a first time user who don’t know about the 4-5 places config files can be located, often differing between distros so google doesnt always hekp, you have no idea what sysctl is, how compiling works, how to manage dependencies), instead with gnome you get an Apple/mobile like minimalistic look, where nothing of the ui just says what it does and most things can’t be changed in the gui which I really hated.
When I got manjaro for the first time, I was blown away about how much you could do with Linux even when not a programmer, because smart people on the AUR have paved the way. Also you had things like btrfs which are just plain better then win NTFS or linux ext.
Im not a programmer and don’t work in IT, but man arch was making me interested in Linux.
But you are right, it broke way to often, that’s why I settled for debian after all, as it has the right amount of stability and options imho
Also when coming from win OR having some technical skill OR wanting a highly customizable, good looking feature rich desktop envirment: GO FOR KDE PLASMA!!! THE NEW VERSION IS SO GREAT I FUCKING LOVE IT
In my experience, Manjaro breaks all the time.
Arch doesn’t.
That said, Debian is great. Probably gonna ditch Ubuntu for just pure Debian on my server.
That’s some nice info. From what I’ve heard manjaro is just arch with things done for you most users would do anyway (Desktop environment setup, package management set up, etc.) But if arch is more stable even if some casual hobby ITler like me installs it I should maybe give it another try at times.
Didn’t know there was much difference between arch distros, but now that you mention it: steamOS is working flawlessly while being arch could be an argument for your point. It thought this was more because its perfectly configured for the hardware and deck and I seldom need the OS itself outside of steam because I only use it for gaming.
Nono, arch breaks too, with no pebcak involved. Been there. Dude’s just been lucky.
Well the deck only gets updates once Valve decides they’re good to go, and it’s immutable so there can’t be edge cases where system packages don’t play nice with something user-installed.
Something similar is true for arch in general, package updates go out once they are good to go, and more importantly, when something really breaks, the fix comes in fast.
But manjaro tries to fix something which isn’t broken by delaying arch updates by two weeks, meaning you sometimes gets stuck with broken things, waiting for the fix, or get updates that install versions of things that don’t work together.
Ah that makes sense. The argument for manjaro is that they are not as vulnerable to easy to find 0days or what?
Ubuntu lots of the promised customizability and deep control wasn’t there (if you are a first time user who don’t know about the 4-5 places config files can be located,
How’s arch any different?
often differing between distros so google doesnt always hekp
It’s either following FHS or not. I’ve never seen them dropped in random places and also differing between distros.
Not knowing about FHS is not distro specific.
you have no idea what sysctl is, how compiling works, how to manage dependencies)
And why would a brand new beginner touch any of those? If you need to enable something specific, the guide will most likely include systemd instructions. If you need something that’s not in the repo, use flatpak for example. If you’re not pointlessly compiling, you don’t need to manage dependencies, your PMs are doing it for you.
When I got manjaro for the first time, I was blown away about how much you could do with Linux even when not a programmer, because smart people on the AUR have paved the way.
You can do the same things, and AUR doesn’t change that, it only gives you an additional source of packages that can’t be blindly trusted.
Also you had things like btrfs which are just plain better then win NTFS or linux ext.
They can be set up on other distros, if you don’t like timeshift or other solutions. Btrfs is also not really necessary on a stable distro. A security patch is far less likely to break your system when compared to random bleeding edge releases.
But you are right, it broke way to often, that’s why I settled for debian after all, as it has the right amount of stability and options imho
Check out MX, it’s Debian with some desktop improvements, and a far more sensible default DE for the distro. I’m using it and it’s pretty great, nix makes it a lot better, but flatpak does the job as well.
Also, it’s really funny that a Debian user goes all fangirl over plasma 6
Plasma 6 - soon on a desktop near you (in 1-3+ years when it stops being a broken mess early enough to be tested and included in the new release)
I think what makes arch different for first time users is mainly the user repository. If I want to have glassy themed desktop for example on Ubuntu I need to understand kvantum, which folder need which permissions, download themes from a website, kvantum from the terminal and install them, while on arch I type yay glassy-themeXY
Sure arch comes with more possibilities in terms if what combinations of software are possible and rolling release etc. Pp. But that’s not that tangeble or import for the beginners usage.
When installing teamspeak for Ubuntu I need to understand how to make my own desktop entries, mark files as executable, how to install .deb packages etc, while on arch I type yay teamspeak, done.
Sure aur is not the most secure source, but better (and easier) then blindly copy pasting commands from some forum or manually downloading dubious python scripts from github.
In a nutshell: I can rely on other (smarter) users better on arch than Ubuntu.
For the customization at the time Ubuntu only had gnome, which is easy but not very powerful in its GUI options from my experience. Manjaro came with KDE plasma which is way more in depth with its GUI.
I don’t know what you are talking about with everything in the same place regardless of distro, I seldom find any config file i dont already know without googleing it for my system. Package names are different, the according folders are different, depending on you DE all paths regarding this will be different.
In win you have all your settings in the settings app (and the values stored in registry) EVERY file of the program you would need to accsess is in the program folder (or roaming).
On Linux, the steam installation via snap has another file structure than via apt, and another for flatpack and another for appimage and another for the aur version which is different from the selfcompiled version. Depending on your Linux version the gamebug could be produced by a file in any of those folders (mostly not one place but some in /etc some in /home/steam some in home/.local some in /home/.share etc. Pp.) Also steam depends on like 100 libraries which are stored in different places. Not to even start with symlinks, config files you should not edit because they get generated from a template in another dir which you instead should be editing and stuff like this.
For people who are working in the field or using the system since decades this becomes natural at some point. But for people who can’t (yet) deal with this kind of stuff it makes a HUGE difference if they can type “yay teamspeak” or not.
Sure, by now it seems trivial for me to know about sudo, chmod, .deb files, apt, .desktop files how to add a repository, manage gpg keyrings and so on but in the beginning, coming from windows this was confusing and overcomplicated as heck (remember under win installing a programming is literally double klicking an installer and that’s it) When you don’t know about this stuff and don’t have the time to watch tutorials or read man pages when wanting to do anything, the difference between this and “yay teamspeak” was like day and night, a matter of usable vs. Unusable.
People good with this stuff underestimate how valuable it is for noobs to be able to rely on smarter people. If I had installed ts when starting with Linux it would have been way more prone to failure and insecurity than a package by an experienced arch user.
The “why would a beginner need those” question always strikes me as odd, because it always sounds love me people wanna deny use cases. I tried changing my local one time, because I accidentally installed the us English default and in the end it was easier to reinstall, because changing the local here doesn’t automatically changes the local there, and for this the locale gets baked in when installing and then your off chasing details and suddenly needing systemctl commands or editing system.d config files or stuff like that. (Again, for something that is literally one klick in a drop down menu for win). I have never seen someone who uses Linux without ever needing the terminal, while doing more than webbrowsing and emails (while for win it is the default to never need the cmd) So if you didn’t study IT for 6 semesters you come to the point where GUI is not working anymore and you don’t know what to do REALLY fast. In this case you are of to either fail if you don’t want to spend hours tinkering and learning about internals of Linux or you have the aur, where its not that unlikely that someone has already written a package to accomplish the task.
“You can do the same things with the aur as without” is the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard (sry) Its like saying you can do the same thing with a guitar as with a CD. Sure, if you are skilled enough you can produce similar results, but for 90% of humanity its either you have the CD and can hear Elvis Presley or you can tinker with the guitar for hours and in the end get something that doesn’t even vaguely resembles Elvis Presley. --> you can’t hear Elvis Presley.
For btrfs: OK, give me the Debian bookworm installer where you can select ANY enrcrypted format that is not luks–>lvm–>ext. I looked lastime I installed there wasnt an option for encrypted btrfs on Debian, but there was on arch Maybe I could customize filesystems and install drivers/libs etc afterwards, but from what I’ve read its not that easy to get it working and it for sure didn’t work out of the box. But please correct me if I am wrong.
For flatpack: I avoid it, as people who are far more deep into the topic than me said its basically snap with extra steps, bloated, insecure, against the Linux philosophy of interlocking FOSS software blah blah. Didn’t understand most of it but followed the advice.
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If I want to have glassy themed desktop for example on Ubuntu I need to understand kvantum, which folder need which permissions, download themes from a website, kvantum from the terminal and install them, while on arch I type yay glassy-themeXY
But yeah, the large repo + AUR do make some things easier. Although the additional package managers are quite close, while allowing for a more dependable base system.
When installing teamspeak for Ubuntu I need to understand how to make my own desktop entries, mark files as executable, how to install .deb packages etc, while on arch I type yay teamspeak, done.
flatpak search teamspeak->flatpak install com.teamspeak.TeamSpeak-> done (I’ll get to flatpak later)Sure aur is not the most secure source, but better (and easier) then blindly copy pasting commands from some forum or manually downloading dubious python scripts from github.
Sure, and that’s why you can use something like flatpak in any scenario. I prefer nix, but that’s still not user friendly.
For the customization at the time Ubuntu only had gnome,
They have flavours for each DE, same as Fedora has spins. It’s an easy way to ensure default apps go with the correct DE.
I don’t know what you are talking about with everything in the same place regardless of distro
Most packages follow FHS and XDG, but there are still plenty of them that just drop it in ~ and call it a day.
The FHS ones (
/etc,/usr/share,/usr/local/etc) are where you’re supposed to find default configs. But,/usrshould be read-only and only ever copied from, while/etcis for system wide configs.The XDG configs are tied to your user, and only located at your ~. Usually in ~/.config but there are some cases where you might want to use ~/.local/
On Linux, the steam installation via snap has another file structure than via apt, and another for flatpack and another for appimage and another for the aur version which is different from the selfcompiled version.
Yes, but that’s got nothing to do with the distro.
Apt and pacman follow the FHS, AUR just provides instructions to pacman.
Appimages contain everything they need to run in a single file that you execute.
Flatpak, snap, nix, guix, distrobox, etc. don’t save in the exact same directories because it’s much safer that way, but they still roughly follow FHS. For example nix symlinks everything into ~/.nix-profile and provides you with the same structure as apt (/etc, etc.)
When you don’t know about this stuff and don’t have the time to watch tutorials or read man pages when wanting to do anything, the difference between this and “yay teamspeak” was like day and night, a matter of usable vs. Unusable.
GUI stores like discovery allow you to install and update packages from different stores at the same time. You can search for teamspeak and chose to install the deb or flatpak. Can’t get more user friendly than that.
In win you have all your settings in the settings app (and the values stored in registry) EVERY file of the program you would need to accsess is in the program folder (or roaming).
No, you have the available windows settings in the settings apps. KDE approaches it the same way, and is far superior IMO. The difference is that if you want to change something that’s not covered by the settings apps, windows forces you to blindly copy-paste regedit commands, while linux has a text file.
For packages there is no FHS, they might or might not include default configs if they support text configs in the first place (a BIG part of the UNIX philosophy), or they might generate them when needed. It might be in one of the program files, in multiple locations in my documents and app data, or you might need to once again blindly copy-paste regedit commands. Hell, a windows program might use different 5 location for different configs.
The “why would a beginner need those” question always strikes me as odd, because it always sounds love me people wanna deny use cases. I tried changing my local one time, …
It’s more because Linux has come a long way. For example I can just use MX Date & Time and use a gui to adjust my local and hardware time without ever touching the terminal.
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“You can do the same things with the aur as without” is the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard (sry) Its like saying you can do the same thing with a guitar as with a CD.
Nah, that’s coming right up:
For flatpack: I avoid it, as people who are far more deep into the topic than me said its basically snap with extra steps, bloated, insecure, against the Linux philosophy of interlocking FOSS software blah blah. Didn’t understand most of it but followed the advice.
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Argument from authority is a logical fallacy, and I don’t think basing your entire argument on willful ignorance requires further comment
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People have issues with snap due to following reasons, and none of them apply to flatpak:
- snap is forced on ubuntu users and apt randomly installs snaps instead of deb
- snap slows down boot times because it mounts virtual FS’
- snap store and packages are closed source, and while snap is open source, the snap store is hardcoded
- Additional package managers are bloated in the same way cars are bloated for having seatbelts and airbags. The only way to reliably prevent dependency mismatches is to have a separate set of dependencies.
For example: you want to install the newest obs, but it requires a higher version glibc than your KDE. Installing the newer glibc in the exact same location as your system could possibly break your system. Pacman simply errors out, on the other hand flatpak provides the correct version to each of the packages it installs. And that’s possible because:
- Everything is isolated, and generally not only more secure, if the package is published by the developer, but could be even further improved:
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each package gets its own private sandbox with a filesystem, libraries, dependencies, runtimes, etc.
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there are built in systems to further isolate packages from each other and your system
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you can use tools like flatseal to control permissions on top of whatever the base system uses (AppArmor/SELinux).
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no sudo privileges required
Pacman can only use AppArmor/SELinux, and AUR is the riskier version of community flatpaks.
- The thing is, you can’t get better security and reliability without breaking FHS a bit. You also need to consider that they still try to follow it within the additional restrictions imposed on them. You get the same structure, but in respectively consistent places. It’s a pretty good trade-off in my regard.
For btrfs: OK, give me the Debian bookworm installer where you can select ANY enrcrypted format that is not luks–>lvm–>ext.
The default one, and therefore essentially everything downstream: guided partition -> change from ext4 to btrfs and set to mount to / -> run the encryption wizard. Do read the maintenance section though, there are reasons why stable distros don’t default to it. Besides that, rsync does the job more than well enough. You can use the timeshift gui to have it periodically take snapshots, or easily automate it in different ways.
Honestly, monthly snapshots are going to be just fine. That’s the whole benefit of this kind of a setup. Your base system almost never changes, while everything you need to be up to date is completely separate. Half of my packages are nix unstable and just as bleeding edge as on arch, but my system is not at real risk of failing to boot due to an update because it’s still Debian, and quite close to vanilla at that. You don’t need btrfs and snapshots on every update because both flatpak and nix support rollbacks, and that’s the only scenario where updates could be risky.
There are downsides, and possible complications during setup though, but I’d say the trade is more than worth it, especially if you depend on your device and can’t have it break down because you ran a system update or installed a package without updating the whole system. Working abroad with bad internet really drew it home for me, and caused me to finally drop arch.
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PS, why is it funny Debian users like plasma? Such a rarity?
But to be fair, plasma has only become good recently imho, I really liked concept years ago but it was way to fragile and incomplete then.
Dude writes code, that makes me a lot more comfortable recommending an arch install of some kind. Endeavour especially, as it sets you up at a very good starting point without doing messy shit like Manjaro.
Agreed on flatpak, it’s fine.
Dude writes code, that makes me a lot more comfortable recommending an arch install of some kind.
You drive trucks for a living, so you should commute in a rocket car that breaks down randomly. Or are you going to be a chicken and choose something slower, but far more dependable?
Agreed on flatpak, it’s fine.
It’s pretty counterproductive to suggest something that requires significantly more maintenance if the features are not required. So if flatpak is fine, there’s no need for arch, unless the OP is FOMOing for plasma 6 or something.
Whoa.
You seem to be a lot more vehement about this than I am. Not to mention confidently uninformed on arch.
I don’t think this is worth getting into further. You’ve already decided I’m some kind of elitist, deserving of insulting analogies thrown at them.
You seem to be a lot more vehement about this than I am.
No, I’m simply standing behind my initial statement, and pointing out why your counter argument is bad.
Not to mention confidently uninformed on arch.
Wat is arch? I only used it and its derivatives on multiple devices for multiple years in my 15+ years of Linux
I don’t think this is worth getting into further. You’ve already decided I’m some kind of elitist, deserving of insulting analogies thrown at them.
How I’m imagining this response in real life
If you think a hyperbolised analogy is an insult, take care of your delicate constitution and don’t risk maladies by entering discussions on the internet.
No, I’m simply standing behind my initial statement, and pointing out why your counter argument is bad.
It’s not though.
Wat is arch? I only used it and its derivatives on multiple devices for multiple years in my 15+ years of Linux
Good for you.
If you think a hyperbolised analogy is an insult, take care of your delicate constitution and don’t risk maladies by entering discussions on the internet.
I mean, if my assumption that you were being mean-spirited before was strenuous, this and linking that video makes it a sealed deal.
You can’t get under my skin, but that doesn’t mean you’re not being shitty by trying.
I ran Linux on a Zenbook Pro Duo. Fedora’s KDE distribution was the only release I ever found that worked out of the box with both touchscreens as I’d expect. You’d think a big release like Ubuntu would work, but whatever they have set up for touchscreens is slightly out of whack. For example, touch and drag would select text instead of scrolling the page.
By default, your laptop might try to stay awake all the time. The second screen is treated as an external monitor, and there’s a setting you can find in the configuration menu that forces the laptop to stay awake when an external device is connected.
Some other things to note. If you’ve got an older model, you might be able to find a third-party software suite such as this one that will allow you to use your laptop almost normally.
However, if your laptop is new enough, you might be unable to find any software (third party or otherwise) that supports the built-in features such as quick screen swapping, numpad, or turning off the lower screen. The lower screen is LCD anyways, so you won’t get burn in. If you’re worried about power, I’ve found that despite the lower screen being on full-time, Linux still doubled or tripled my battery life compared to when I ran Windows. I think the biggest immediate drawback is that you may not have any on-board audio due to a lack of drivers, though that might have been fixed in Fedora 40. I know they were working on that in the newer version of upstream Linux (which may not have arrived yet), but I haven’t been following it. And finally, you won’t be able to adjust the brightness of the lower screen without some configuration. Again, some of that might be mitigated if you can find some compatible and reliable 3rd-party software for your laptop.
I will say that despite all the limitations mentioned above, I still vastly preferred Linux to Windows. The battery life alone was enough to warrant the switch.
Thanks, I was hoping to find someone who did this before. And apparently not the first time I read that fedora is my best/only option for the type of laptop. Great tips!
Hey OP, I just installed Fedora KDE as dual boot on my desktop (slowly transitioning from Windows) and I can vouch for what the person above you is saying. Good luck, and feel free to ask anything. I’m no expert, but I can at least listen.
If you want to test several Linux distributions Ventoy can be useful. You can have 10 or more different Linux distributions on one USB stick depending on the size of the stick. This will also save you time “flashing” an image iso to the stick each time because with Ventoy you’d simply copy the image iso files to the stick, quick and easy.
Huh I always thought ventoy was just another iso to usb writer. I’ve been totally sleeping on the fact it can hold a bunch of isos and installs them directly. That’s so handy
Ventoy has changed my life. No more having to find a unused usb key to format then flash.
Just drop the ISO, boot on the key and choose whatever you want to try/install.
Or try them for a while in a VM, VirtualBox may not provide the best performance out there but it’s very easy to set up. This way you don’t have to commit and install the OS over your main machine or anything like that.
Isn’t Google dismantling the flutter team?
Doesn’t mean your company didn’t bet on the wrong horse. Luckily we stay far away from anything Google touches, but I have friends in other companies who weren’t as lucky.
It was supposed to be the react-native killer!
I Will spit out what i think cause this threads are full of words and empty of content… Almost any Linux distro is good for starting out … Make sure it has a nice manual and community Ubuntu, mint debian or something similar… Vs code Is a Microsoft fork of vs codium an open source app, to avoid telemetry just use vs codium… Remove adds can be done in different ways in my opinion add bloock on Firefox is a good start… File explorer are good on any Linux distro just learn how to use one … If u have a document u should probably save it in the document folder… in your user home …
I’m only a Linux command-line guy (Mac for GUI), but you’re making the right decision. You can have a computer that doesn’t suck and this is one of the ways. Good luck!
Mac for GUI
I’m sorry
Edit: the linux-company thing is just for triggering people, sorry I didn’t know it was this effective.
Errrr… why would you try to trigger people, especially while asking for their help? Don’t you think it’s plain rude?
Rude? That’s a bit much
Yeah, I’ve seen better strategic thinking…
I thought it was pretty funny.
I thought it was funny as well. Sometimes FOSS communities are so very uptight, we should relax a bit.
Sometimes FOSS communities are so very uptight, we should relax a bit.
Now THIS is funny
Making people laugh and triggering people are quite different motives
You guys have a penguin up your butt or something? It was a good joke
Fuck off with your kink shaming dude.
Fair enough… but :D would you say I’m triggering ppl for attention or am I training users for a dystopian ai future?
One day when we can’t distinguish humans from bots, you will think about that rude guy on lemmy that baited you with love :)
I think it’s hilarious. If somebody gets triggered by something so simple, their advice will probably amount to “use Arch/NixOS/Gentoo” and probably isn’t worth listening to.
As a Dart developer myself you won’t have any problem with VS code and Dart. Actually, it’s a bit better than on Windows because it was originally not much of a windows centric system anyways
As a fellow Windows user tipping ever further towards finally making the switch, this resonates on a lot of levels. Also I saw what you did with the “company called Linux” thing and thought it was funny 🙌
