• smeg@feddit.uk
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    5 months ago

    Wasn’t 98 the precursor to ME? I thought 2000 was the server version (or something like that)?

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      Windows 2000 sold as both a server OS and a workstation OS, but there was no home edition of 2000. There was also no professional version of Me. It would probably be more accurate to say there were two separate paths of evolution that converged with XP.

      NT -> 2000 -> XP
      98 -> ME -> XP

      Though, XP is built off of the NT kernel, so you could also argue that the 9X line ended with ME.

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      2000 was the first Windows with an NT kernel that was really usable on the desktop. Some may argue NT 4 but in 2000 almost everything worked as expected. XP was clearly better of course.

      But you’re right - ME was actually a successor to 98 and XP was the joint successor to 2000 and ME.

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      5 months ago

      OP wasn’t yet born in the late second millennium, they didn’t suffer through monthly reinstalls.

      /j!!

      But yes, for home users NT Windows came with XP.

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      Yep. In the beginning there were two threads of Windows garbage: Win NT (for companies, with NT kernel) and (MSDOS-based) Win 9x for peasants. Win 2000 was the “last” Win NT and Win Me was the last Win 9x.

      That’s not 100% true as Me used something called “Real mode DOS” which limited the OS interactions with DOS and Windows XP was an evolution of the NT kernel, and all subsequent windowses come from that kernel (Vista, 7, 8, etc… and the Server variants).

      Win Me was the “Mistake Edition” because it was half-baked, most of Microsoft was focusing by then on the next iteration of NT and they even didn’t ship to developers the Me version but rather Windows 2000.

      And probably Windows Me was on the knowing about 9/11:

      “System Restore suffered from a bug in the date-stamping functionality that could cause System Restore to incorrectly date-stamp snapshots that were taken after September 8, 2001. This could prevent System Restore from locating these snapshots and cause the system restore process to fail. Microsoft released an update to fix this problem.”

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    5 months ago

    So what you’re saying is that there has only ever been one Mac OS and one Linux OS?

    How about adding some distros?

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    5 months ago

    Windows and even Mac are clearly superior. As shown in the graph eventhough Linux is getting better it never even got close.

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      5 months ago

      I think the way you worded it doesn’t make it obvious that you’re criticizing the graph specifically and not the os, hence your downvotes. But yes, that graph is absolute mess.

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        That wink was somewhat intended ;) The graphs are the intended primary meaning, but Linux usability has actually been complicated in the past.

        I.e. I was unable to get a crappy 300$ Laptop running with Linux as a student (ca. 2016) to be used as a youtube/Netflix machine. But that is way in the past. It worked barely when using Windows and I had the hope to prolong its life with Linux. There were some complicated graphic driver issues.

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    What’s so bad about win 11 as an OS? For me it’s the most stable windows. Of course the MS crap they want you to include is bs, but that’s not really the OS

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      It’s part of the OS? All of the telemetry, ads, and strange news thingy is a standard part of the OS - if you try to remove it, it’ll just get back with any updates.

      So it is really the OS

      it’s the same way ubuntu bad now, forcing snaps

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        Ok fair. I think win 11 is pretty solid in terms of performance, stability and ui (as long as you have the win11 ui and not 10/7/xp legacy things). But other parts of the OS still make it shit.

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      Rule of thumb: If it’s included with an install where you’re clicking through the defaults, to the average user the distinction doesn’t matter, it’s part of the OS

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        Also the problem with not being able to deactivate the things properly. See my other comment, I changed my mind, win 11 is shit. But I don’t think it’s much worse than 10.

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    Windows Vista was better than 8 and 10, a lot of legacy devices in industry kept extended Vista support for years and years.

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    Why is Linux on there? What sense does it make to compare a kernel with an entire system?

    Android is Linux. Raspberry OS is Linux. Caldera Open Linux is Linux. Ubuntu is Linux. Debian is Linux. etc.

    My experience: Linux is really good on mobile devices (Android). It is really good for affordable hobby projects (RaspberryOS). There are hardly any alternatives on servers and super computers. On my Laptop and my Desktop PC I prefer Windows. Macs are too expensive and Linux tends to be shit there whenever your hardware is brand new and that’s exactly when you want to install the OS.

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    That’s not completely true, in Linux there are many points where old software sucks and new software isn’t ready for mass adoption. Like when everyone knew x11 was deprecated but nothing supported Wayland (to this day major WMs like cinnamon and xfce still haven’t switched over and most small wms never will). It gets better over time but there are dips in quality and Linux devs do sometimes make mistakes.

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      True, Linux is both the best and the worst at the same time.

      The Base OS is great, but the apps are mostly terrible, with a few notable exceptions.

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      5 months ago

      A lot of stuff has Wayland support in the works or is totally getting replaced by something better.

      It wouldn’t make any sense to try to modify small Window managers as you would end up replacing pretty much all the code.