cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/24574658
was checking my old favourite posts and found this.
I’m a bit of 2,3 and 4.
me: favorite os: any vanilla AOSP or Lineage based custom rom, i can’t be separated from android, i’m a hardcore bugdroid fan.
favorite browser: cromite, librewolf, mercury
favorite apps: invizible pro, viper4fx, bitwarden, lemmy, yetcalc, vscodium, xorg, peazip, fileoptimizer, converseen, vidcoder
Not sure what I fall under 😅 I want privacy and will pay for it, but I won’t go all the way to a pure GNU OS where only certain open-source is allowed. IMO buying a new Pixel phone for GrapheneOS is still contributing to Google and does more harm than good.
What’s the first browser under newborn paranoid?
Qute browser
Thanks :)
Isn’t qute just a chromium wrapper?
Not sure where I fall into this chart =)
Favorite OS: OpenSuse Tumbleweed
Favorite browser: Librewolf
Favorite Apps: Vim/Neovim (not even close to anything else)- I’m not paranoid, though. (It’s not paranoia if everyone agrees with you, most people just don’t care)
- I love FOSS culture and hate corporations with passion.
- For messaging I use Discord and Telegram
- Use old netbook from 2007 and my desktop PC is around the same age.
- I do watch Luke Smith and “Richard Stallman was right”!
I would say somewhere between paranod newborness and tech conservatism 🤔
Not sure where I fall into this chart.
I can tell you. You’re in the shit distro+shit browser part of the chart. Terrible choices. Not like my distribution which is so good. With a very good browser.
No I haven’t read what your distro is. Nor your browser. Irrelevant.
My distro? You wouldn’t know it. Very niche. But very good. Maybe the same as yours, but not the shit one. The good one.
Am I a moron? Sure. A moron with a good distro. (It’s ubuntu+chrome, if you know it)
cool 👍
What a ride!
Suspicious lack of Qubes. Who do you work for??? the CIA? China? The Rwandan National Intelligence and Security Agency?
Honestly Qubes is over rated.
Just use virtual manager with VMs.
If all you want to do is run VMs, Qubes is not what you are looking for. Even virtual machine manager (and other abstractions over libvirt and KVM) need to be hardened to avoid compromising the host.
Example: By default virt-manager uses a NAT bridge to allow for the guest VM to access the host and the LAN. A couple of weeks ago vulnerability was found in CUPS print server, allowing a hacker to do RCE. If a guest VM was compromised (previously or because of the vulnerability), since the host also likely has CUPS the hacker could use the guest system to compromise the host. This is avoided on Qubes because the host has minimal software.
Virt-manager offers no where near the same Security as Qubes. Qubes has a security hardened host and strong Desktop security model. Everything runs in VMs (aka qubes) including different parts of the system to further improve isolation. Sure, you could replace Qubes OS with an off the shelf Linux distro and run VMs, but that is nothing like Qubes, offers none of the convenience, and isn’t hardened or debloated (reducing host attack surface).
No Linux distro comes close. Qubes is designed for a specific job. I am not saying Qubes is the “best OS ever” when I say Linux distros dont come close, I specifically mean that no Linux distro is designed with as strong of a focus on Desktop security model and isolation-based workflow.
Hey now, I’ve been paranoid for years. Don’t call me a newborn.
I’m less familiar with the icons starting at around section 4 onwards.
Could anyone share / link what some of them are?
after that arch and its distros lastlsy temple os and holy c you can search about them
I see, thank you!
after that emacs and fsf things
The FSF-approved distributions that are shown are: Trisquel, Parabola and GNU Guix (this one is actually quite neat, it’s based on NixOS with its own ideas like the importance of being able to bootstrap an entire system from a minimal binary seed)
The browser with logo shown is GNU IceCat, with binary blobs removed and with some extra security and privacy features (among them an addon that prevents the browser from running proprietary javascript)
lynx is a simple TUI web browser and w3m also is a similar browser but running in GNU Emacs
The last three are all the GNU Emacs logo.
tails gentoo tor irc chat with self hosting 4
Between IRC and the picture representing the idea of self-hosting, there’s the XMPP logo, which like IRC, is an instant messaging protocol (but with more features than IRC).
- Panel 1: You know these.
- Panel 2:
- OS: ZorinOS, Manjaro, Ubuntu, Fedora
- Browser: Brave, Firefox
- Apps: Telegram, Signal
- Panel 3:
- OS: Debian, Arch, VoidLinux, LineageOs (Android ROM)
- Browser: qutebrowser, Librewolf
- Apps: Jami, Briar (first time hear about them), Fdroid, Element (Matrix client)
- Panel 4:
- OS: Tails (Live distro for privacy), Gentoo (DIY distro)
- Browser: Tor
- Apps: IRC (text chat rooms), XMPP/Jabber (messaging protocol), self-hosted community (applications you can put on your own server, I presume)
- Panel 5:
- OS: Trisquel, Parabola, Guix (all three approved by FSF as “actually free”)
- Browser: Icecat (gnu firefox fork), lynx, w3m (both terminal-based browsers), (missed opportunity to put emacs here as well =))
- Apps: Emacs, Emacs, Emacs (powerful os with built-in text editor)
- Panel 6:
- OS: Garuda, No idea ([something arch-based](https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/ Arch-based_distributions)), Arco Linux, Arch Linux
- ???
- Apps: Kvantum (qt theme manager), Latte (macOS style application dock for KDE), Plank (also app dock)
- Panel 7:
- OS: Temple OS
- Browser: Bible
- Apps: Racing game, Tanks game from TempleOS, Amen.
I think that the arch-based distro is Xerolinux
Never heard about it, but seems like it is, indeed. Thank you.
I’d say I’m tech conservative/cynic with a bit of normie - as I’ve long accepted that forgoing big tech completely means losing the ability to talk to most of my friends and relatives (because there’s zilch chance of me convincing them to move away)
Seems like I’m a newborn paranoid. Favorite os = arch Favorite browser = librewolf Favorite apps = f-droid
I disable cookies on virtually all websites. And I do fear the slippery slope sometimes.
FYI, there are uBlock filters to block most cookie popups - you just have to enable them. From memory, I think they are called annoyances
Mmmh don’t think that an FSF Member prefers WebM for it is made and maintained by Google the thoroughbred of sin.
Excellent Dr. Horrible reference.
That’s w3m, an Emacs web browser, not webm the WebM file format.
No No I don’t mean the icons but the Blocktext points along OGG and ODT.
Newborn paranoid is actually me 💀
This is fairly dated.
Don’t use Telegram or Jami. Also Xorg is dead.
Also Luke Smith hasn’t uploaded in years now
Wait, why not Jami?
According to the threads I found privacy guides:
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It mostly just doesn’t work well.
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It hasn’t been independently audited
https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/add-jami/20052
https://discuss.privacyguides.net/t/why-is-jami-not-listed-in-pg/12500
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No independent audit is a bad sign. It also is unstable with a giant code base.
i’m still mad at they killing xorg like it wasn’t bad and worked well, everybody could use it
It never worked well for me. It is ok but Wayland is a massive improvement.
xorg almost always worked for me. it had some quirks, but startx almost always solves it. And Xorg is supported by much more gui systems and applications, screen recording is also easy with it
I can’t say I’ve had the same experience. It was always buggy especially with multiple displays and touch screens. What pushed me to Wayland was the much better battery life.
ok i know that wayland is better for those but it is still not a valid reason to abolish xorg
We aren’t abolishing Xorg. I will be here for a very long time.
i really hope so, because if they did, 65% of desktops/wms wpuld become inaccessible, that would really erode my trust with linux
So i’m a conservative just a bit paranoid, gotcha 👌.