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I’ve found Lemmy’s Linux community to be extremely helpful I hope it stays this way
probably because lemmy’s pretty small compared to places like reddit and because everyone sees the same content with the same sorting, places like reddit make a few “help” requests visible and make them feel unimportant
It’s one of the things that I like the most about lemmy over reddit. The reddit linux community was toxic, insular and gatekeepy, even as a moderately experienced linux user I had difficulty getting help.
“Learn how to Google noob!”
Fuck sakes, I just spent several hours deep diving forums and Web search results looking for an answer to my question, and the only thing I could find that was exactly my problem was concluded by OP editing their post to say “Ah, never mind, figured it out.” And not including the solution…
It should be legal to hunt that person down and clamp a lobster to their nipples.
Oh there’s a special place in hell, where Satan from the movie Little Nicky is, waiting for these people…with lobsters and a pineapple.
I asked about servers once and they told me don’t host a server under any circumstance.
“Don’t learn anything, just give up.” Great, thanks, guys.
“If you don’t know to do X, don’t even bother learning.”
We should do our part in reporting unhelpful users. Especially those that recommend Arch or more advanced distros to beginners.
X is deprecated, you should have moved into systemd-Y
You should change to Arch, I don’t use X but Arch is better.
Oh fuck you… take your upvote and know that you have hurt my soul and I love you for it.
X is deprecated, you should move to Wayland.
You should use Wayland, not x
Don’t forget Pulse audio!
Pipewire’s the new hotness
Buy a different GPU
I’ll let myself out
Ah yes, a perfectly normal thing to do after I’ve previously spent thousands on my NVIDIA GPU and am just getting into Linux. Love this comment when it comes up.
I mean, you wouldn’t buy a sports car and then a month later post to a forum asking questions about how to tow a 40 foot camper with it, would you? You would research this stuff beforehand, or deal with the fact that it’s not compatible for that job. We can’t put Nvidias thumbs into a thumbscrew and force them to offer more Linux support, so that’s what we’re stuck with.
The problem is that a lot of users aren’t building a new machine for Linux, but converting an existing Windows laptop or desktop. In my case, I’d already bought an Nvidia card about a year before I decided to switch to Linux for gaming. Not ideal, of course, but it work a good 95% of the time and I can’t really afford to get a different card right now. I’ll definitely keep it in mind for my next pc upgrade, though.
This is complicated. Firstly outside of Wayland Nvidia works pretty great and has worked great for me 21 years on the other hand the amount spent is kinda irrelevant using different hardware is often actually the correct advice. Often though the logical move is use Windows on your effectively Windows only laptop and if you want to run Linux buy something compatible next go round.
Some hardware just isn’t supported and given hostile to indifferent oems it will always be so
I agree, and it’s been a fine experience with nvidia on Xorg. “Buy new hardware” is not what someone getting into Linux should hear though if we want to increase the number of Linux users.
If your hardware isn’t supported what are people supposed to say? Gosh I’m sorry volunteers didn’t donate more free work to make that shitty laptop work let me now assemble a strike force of expert programs to crack that problem by next week? Labor is a finite resource especially free labor.
This has been a trope since Linux existed.
"Linux doesn’t work with my hardware*
“Well, just spend hundreds or thousands on new hardware so you can run this free OS!”
He said X, not Wayland.
Dude I had a bunch of people tell me to install mint OS on an older intel MacBook Pro and no one told me that out the box your Wi-Fi doesn’t work, the keyboard doesn’t light up, the touch bar doesn’t work, etc. lol
I don’t even like the Touch Bar but I need F keys so…
Then when I asked what to do they all said “well that’s your fault for using a Mac.” Most unhelpful shit ever. One guy said “well use an external keyboard and Ethernet chord then. I’m on a tower what’s the issue here?”
It’s a laptop. Sometimes I move around with it. I travel a fair bit too.
Idk honestly it’s not just a Linux thing. Any technical community you’ll often find a lot of people who hand wave away very reasonable issues instead of either suggesting a solution or, I don’t know, just not saying anything? Like they have to chime in and call you a whiner.
Did you ever get everything working? I don’t have a Mac, I’m just curious.
I love that this comic is already a meme.
BTW which distro is best for running Adobe??? I really need Photoshop on my laptop.
I don’t know, but I would try a distro that is also recommended for gaming, because you will likely need an up to date version of WINE or something similar.
So maybe endeavour or Pop!_OS?
From my personal (very noobish) experience, it might be necessary to run a virtual machine with Windows. However, this experience is from before the Steam Deck and Proton, which improved the whole software biotope by a lot.
I already run Endeavour and don’t actually need any proprietary Adobe software, but thanks :)
I was wondering if you were joking :D
but apparently I guessed wrong.
VMWare workstation is now free for Linux!!!
Just run windows 10 LTSB!
VMWare workstation is now free for Linux!!!
Oh? That’s pretty cool.
Just run windows 10 LTSB!
Ew, no. I will never do that. I was completely joking about Adobe and expecting links to the GIMP repo lol.
Ew, no. I will never do that. I was completely joking about Adobe and expecting links to the GIMP repo lol.
LOL, I was thinking you were serious and I started finding more guides and script to install Photoshop on Linux after replying to you. I was ready for your reply like “Can you give me more info about script? Or I want to install a *arrr version?”.
Haha. Well I appreciate that you and others are so willing to help! The old “get lost and RTFM” stereotype is really feeling antiquated here.
I mean, nothing beats the Adobe suite for doing creative stuff. I really wish they offered CC on Linux.
Yeah… GIMP is a joke compared to Photoshop, just find a copy of CS6 😉
Oh I won’t dispute that. I have a close friend in the graphics and video field where Adobe CC is indispensable.
But that’s not what I do. For anything I need to edit, GIMP and Pixlr are more than sufficient.
My joke was that in the old days of tech forums, I feel like there was almost a kneejerk reaction among the GNU/Linux diehards to ditch closed source at any cost, and if you didn’t you weren’t worth their time or compassion (like the sharks in the comic here).
Also, I’m not sure the comparison is entirely fair because I kinda doubt the budget and manpower behind GIMP are even in the same galaxy as Photoshop.
Windows 11
I saw it on c/comics and realised it could be a meme.
https://github.com/hypnotiger/photoshop-on-linux or If you have low end device then use CS6 version of Adobe Software with Wine. Ofcourse, You can *arrrr them.
If I want to run games in Steam on NVidia GPU, with KDE and Wayland, what distribution would you recommend?
Technically not a distro, but give Bazzite a try. It’s probably the most hands-off gaming experience on Linux. Valve employees also make contributions to it.
Garuda. Gaming/perf focus, with lots of built-in niceties (like btrfs snapshots on upgrade, proton GE, etc)
Check out one of the Fedora spins if you want to go Wayland.
I have Fedora KDE Plasma 40 on a laptop with a nVidia chipset, (I need to have it defaulted to Nouveau and the base Intel chipset). Maybe by the middle of next month they MIGHT have something cobbled together to get a decently working experience for the majority of users. Otherwise, don’t be surprised if your screen flickers, has missing parts of your display, or just a black and blank screen.
Wayland and nVidia - two piles of stupid that are meant for each other.
Windows XP
I just use Debian, KDE is an option during install and I use it. However, my brain lacks wrinkles so I’m sure it could be “better” on a more purpose built gaming distro. Over the decades of on and off Linux use, I always end up on Debian because it feels like solid ground to me
Just learn to search for the proper Terminal/ Konsole command to copy and paste what you want just like the rest of us.
That’s how you Linux… Right? My dudes? Right?
Pretty much. It’s what makes all those Linux Experts so Expert! Besides, ain’t no one got time to memorize and understand what all that stuff does…
No better way to learn how something works than to be forced to repair it from a broken state 😎
This is the year of the linux desktop
I’m thinking of using my second SSD to install Linux, is Arch actually good or just a meme?
I’m using Ubuntu derivatives since many years. I’ve looked at Arch in virtual machines and was very much lost. Even with Manjaro I didn’t get along. I’m still testing EndeavourOS, which looks promising.
So to me, Arch is too much hands on for my lazy ass. However, if you like to nerd yourself into it, it’s awesome (I think).
I’m out.
You can start with Endeavor OS KDE… it’s an arch system with Endeavor OS package managment added on top. So the Arch experience is the same… without the pain of installation.
Plus it has some cool wallpapers.
Use something easier to get started with like Ubuntu or Debian. Arch isn’t that great. I’ve installed it a few times as a VM but to me it brings nothing new to the mix. I kinda view Arch fanatics like apple fan bois or beer snobs. Kinda fun to laugh at for being so pretentious. After a while though you wish they would quit hot boxing their own hubris.
It is genuinely amazing, there’s a reason us Arch users never shut up about it. The setup/configuration in the beginning will seem daunting but once you have everything the way you want it is a smooth and enjoyable experience.
I’ve spent over a decade in Ubuntu and using ssh terminals to run code, but I’m looking for big boy Linux. I think I’ll try it out.
If that’s the case it should be a much easier transition. I also came from Ubuntu originally.
You will notice the difference right away. Everything is always up to date so you’re not waiting half a year for updates and there’s no big upgrade transitions between major versions. And pacman is a lot faster than apt in general.
Plus with the AUR you’ll never touch another PPA again. Almost anything you could possibly want is in there, even some of the most obscure/specific things.
I do recommend doing everything from scratch if you have the time, but if not EndeavourOS is literally just preconfigured Arch (and I do mean literally, it uses the same repos) so that’s also a solid option.
That sounds amazing actually. And a good challenge, I’ll give it a go when I get my computer back next week.
If you’re on Windows currently and it supports Hyper-V then I recommend using it to try a few distros out. I liked using Kubuntu 23 recently.
For beginners, don’t go with Arch. Debian or Linux Mint for normal stuff, Bazzite if you’re going to game. Once you want to get to know the internals of a linux distribution, you can go for an unstable distro like Arch, Gentoo, or way lower with Linux From Scratch (LFS).
P.S Arch is a meme because it was hard to use and required the terminal, but it lost that spot to NixOS.
Rtfm noob
Depends on your use case. Arch is a DIY distro but is well maintained and has the latest packages on their repo. Its user centric, unlike many distributions that are user friendly. You could read the archwiki to find out if its for you
I used Ubuntu for about a decade and I still use a Linux system via SSH to run code, so I’d like the challenge. I just wanted to know if it’s worth the work or just a meme, thanks!
Arch is great, but not very beginner friendly. It might be better to start with somethin debian-based like linux mint, and install arch once you get used to using the commandline and know where to find answers to your questions etc.
i like it but i think beginners should start out with" just works" distros
It’s a really good, slightly bare bones initially but completely modular/customizable. If it’s your first foray into Linux something like Debian, Mint or PopOS would be a slightly more comfortable starting point
rtfarchwiki
One way or another I’m moving to Linux for my next PC. but damn I finally think I understand enough to decide Debian would be a good ‘it just works’ distro and then Linux users out the woodwork telling me its actually a pain in the ass and to use XYZ (all disagreeing) distros instead. I’m like 90% sure its going to be Debian, Ubuntu or Mint but beyond that its more uncertain than the inside of a black hole.
Been using debian for more than a decade and “it just works” has become truer every year. It’s a good distro, if you have no principle objections against systemd (which I do, but am too lazy to do anything about).
The one thing I am not happy about: Audio drivers on a Desktop computer
- works out of the box, but then messes up when selecting input devices from:
- line in
- headphones in
- USB camera microphone
- Audio in “sinks” - I believe those are channels allowing for active noise cancelling / preventing Audio feedback loops I had a whole lot of trouble with pulseaudio selecting the correct source when trying to use my mic in the browser.
On a Laptop, I’ve never experienced such issues, as all devices are integrated (apart from the headphones jack, I guess).
Just when I got familiar enough with pulseaudio, they replaced it with “pipewire”, which fucked up output devices:
- works on boot
- when I plug in headphones: it messes up the Audio output to HDMI and I have to manually re-select (on desktop environment) the headphones
- when I then touch the volume control (GUI), the output goes silent again and I have to select the “Port” headphones for the “Built-in Audio Analog Stereo” under “Output Devices”
drives me crazy since the last update - but it’s only an issue when using headphones, so for now I am living with it.
I use an external usb dac/amp to handle all my audio switching and has been working flawlessly on debian. Could that be an option for you?
That seems like an ugly workaround - using external hardware to pretend that internally there’s only 1 device. Not my preferred method, to be honest.
I mainly use the external hardware as a workaround for unwanted noise from the pc. It bothers me to no end to hear the mouse cursor scream into my headphone/speakers.
Im on openSuse Leap 15.5 and I moved to Pipewire back when I had 15.3 I believe. I had that issue where all output devices/input devices got smashed together. I stuck with it for couple of months and I believe the later versions fixed that. Now I am painfree and never bother with audio ever again. I used to have frequent pulseaudio crashes which is why I switched over to pipewire.
Split the difference and run LMDE.
The only way to truly make a determination if a distro works for you is to actually try it out and use it. I’ve never listened to those people because they all have a favorite distro they will push on you for various reasons. I actually find Debian a breeze to use, and the vast majority of stuff meant for Ubuntu or Mint will work on Debian, since it’s the base of both those distros.
Best advise I can give after 20+ years of distro hopping is to be ready to try a few different ones to see which one might resonate the best with you. Because not all of them will feel right. But you will find one that fits you best. It might be Debian or Ubuntu or Fedora or Suse or Mint or even Arch. (I don’t run Arch BTW)
In the long run, it don’t matter which distro you use - they are all Linux under their petticoats anyway. Just choose the one that works for you and makes YOU happy. And if you decide to change your distro of choice at any point for something different, that’s all good too.
Debian does just work and is a good choice. I think people typically have good experiences on Mint also. Ubuntu is becoming like the Windows of Linux distros, I used to use it on everything but I won’t be installing it on another machine because of Snaps.
If you plan on using Linux to do gaming you might want a more up-to-date distro tho.
Very good choice going with Debian. It is simple, clean, can be as minimal or as “bloated” as you wish, and once you’ve worked out the kinks it will happily run for years without maintenance (except updates of course).
There’s a steep learning curve because as a user you’re expected to configure stuff yourself (although defaults are most of the time very sensible), but if you’re willing and able to truly learn Linux and the terminal and you’re familiar with your hardware, it’s one of the best platforms out there.
I know this is just adding to your problem, but I wanna add to the majority and say go with Mint. It’s based on Ubuntu, which in turn is based on Debian, so most anything you can do on Debian, you can do on Mint. This is handy to know whenever you see a “.deb” file.
One of the things that makes it an easier transition from windows is that it’s a lot less strict about including proprietary drivers and codecs (though apparently Debian now includes a few by default). It also includes a few more GUI tools by default, like the package update manager.
I also have found Mint’s Cinnamon desktop environment to be the easiest transition from a Windows environment. KDE is also a good choice in that regard and it’s what I use now, but its plethora of options can be overwhelming for new users.
The distro wars can be pretty overwhelming, but I’d say pick whatever appeals most and go with it. If you get to a point where you can’t do something that you want to do, you can always come back and ask for advice and maybe switch up a different OS.
Better leave out Ubuntu if you don’t want to be bothered with Snap.
Debian is a bit more “naked” per default, as a beginner maybe go with Mint.
I installed Linux on my gfs (now wife) old laptop years ago when the begginger distrod was way less user friendly. When I asked on a forum for help it was just the sound of crickets. When she made her first post starting with “my boyfriend installed Linux and I don’t understand how to…” They fucking fell out trees to answer her questions
lol bunch of thirsty incels.
Is your wife single?
Let us know if she still needs help
No. But she loved ved the reply :)
install gentoo
yeah, x11 bad
I was running endeavourOS with kde plasma 6.0 and wayland
couldn’t make discord screenshare work and had to switch (1 click in the login screen) to x11
I don’t truly understand the implications, but now my problem is solved
If you don’t notice anything else different between x11 and Wayland in your daily workflow and have no need for what Wayland offers, then yes your problem is solved and you can ignore the implications.
To this day I still prefer Xorg server. I dont want to ever switch over to wayland no matter what features it is supposed to bring.
In a similar line, I wish I could go back to SysVInit but all the major and enterprise distros are running systemd hell.
For me it doesn’t really “fix” anything that I can notice. All my games and software work fine in x11, video works fine. It may be a giant convoluted beast from the 1980s, but damn if they didn’t do a good job of keeping it running well on modern machines.
yeah I felt this. I’m having a specific issue with my mint install that I can’t figure out for the life of me and no one has any answers (or bothered to leave any comments on the forum…)
Hit me! I’ll probably fail, but I wanna try and help anyway.
oh boy
ok so I’m running a mint cinnamon edge install on my laptop, booted off a flash drive for now. currently, my biggest issue is the mic. Presently, whenever I try to use my mic, it instead takes whatever audio output my system is currently producing (be that music from YouTube or system sounds) and thinks that that is the input. it does not however, pick up anything with my voice. this happens both with my built in laptop speaker and when I connect my Bluetooth headphones and try to use the mic on those.
I’ve fiddled with pavucontrol settings for a while and wasn’t able to fix it. it seems like it’s not detecting my built in mic, saying it’s unplugged or something, but that doesn’t explain why I have the same issue with my headphones.
I’m thinking it has something to do with the fact that it’s a live session from a flash drive instead of a full install on my PC, but I’m hesitant to do a full install without finding fixes for issues I might run into first.
if you can figure something out, that’d be incredible and I would thank you sincerely and owe you one; if not that’s fine, I really don’t know what I’m gonna do other than take the plunge and full install, hoping that’ll fix it
I’m no linux expert, but I think that issues like that are pretty common with a flash boot - based on BIOS boot sequences or similar issues, the drive likely doesn’t have as many permissions or permissions in the right order as a ssd would. As an intermediary step, you could try partitioning your drive first then doing a full install on a small partition.
That sounds very reasonable actually. I’ll give that a shot. Thanks!
Audio issues on laptops are usually model-specific. Might help if you post your laptop model and the output of diagnostic commands such as
arecord -l.Currently have windows booted to partition my drive and make space for a full Linux install, so I can’t do that command right away. here’s an inxi -Fxz command though from before, does this help any?
inxi -Fxz System: Kernel: 6.5.0-14-generic x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: N/A Desktop: Cinnamon 6.0.4 Distro: Linux Mint 21.3 Virginia base: Ubuntu 22.04 jammy Machine: Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP Laptop 15-fc0xxx v: N/A serial: <superuser required> Mobo: HP model: 8B2F v: 52.42 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: AMI v: F.10 date: 12/21/2023 Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 40.8 Wh (100.0%) condition: 40.8/40.8 Wh (100.0%) volts: 13.0 min: 11.2 model: HP Primary status: Full CPU: Info: quad core model: AMD Ryzen 5 7520U with Radeon Graphics bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Zen note: check rev: 0 cache: L1: 256 KiB L2: 2 MiB L3: 4 MiB Speed (MHz): avg: 1318 high: 2302 min/max: 400/4384 cores: 1: 1709 2: 400 3: 1428 4: 2302 5: 1510 6: 400 7: 1397 8: 1405 bogomips: 44716 Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm Graphics: Device-1: AMD vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: amdgpu v: kernel bus-ID: 03:00.0 Device-2: Chicony HP True Vision HD Camera type: USB driver: uvcvideo bus-ID: 5-1:2 Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.4 driver: X: loaded: amdgpu,ati unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa gpu: amdgpu resolution: 1366x768~60Hz OpenGL: renderer: GFX1036 (gfx1036 LLVM 15.0.7 DRM 3.54 6.5.0-14-generic) v: 4.6 Mesa 23.0.4-0ubuntu1~22.04.1 direct render: Yes Audio: Device-1: AMD vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 03:00.1 Device-2: AMD Raven/Raven2/FireFlight/Renoir Audio Processor vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_pci_acp6x v: kernel bus-ID: 03:00.5 Device-3: AMD Family 17h HD Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 03:00.6 Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k6.5.0-14-generic running: yes Sound Server-2: PulseAudio v: 15.99.1 running: yes Sound Server-3: PipeWire v: 0.3.48 running: yes Network: Device-1: Realtek vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: rtw89_8852be v: kernel port: f000 bus-ID: 02:00.0 IF: wlp2s0 state: up mac: <filter> Bluetooth: Device-1: Realtek Bluetooth Radio type: USB driver: btusb v: 0.8 bus-ID: 1-2:2 Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 0 state: up address: <filter> bt-v: 3.0 lmp-v: 5.2 Drives: Local Storage: total: 491.96 GiB used: 6.2 MiB (0.0%) ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 vendor: Samsung model: MZVL4512HBLU-00BH1 size: 476.94 GiB temp: 28.9 C ID-2: /dev/sda type: USB model: General USB Flash Disk size: 15.02 GiB Partition: ID-1: / size: 3.5 GiB used: 305.5 MiB (8.5%) fs: overlay source: ERR-102 ID-2: /var/log size: 11.82 GiB used: 6.2 MiB (0.1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3 Swap: Alert: No swap data was found. Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 47.0 C mobo: 20.0 C gpu: amdgpu temp: 48.0 C Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0 fan-2: 0 Info: Processes: 300 Uptime: 34m Memory: 7 GiB used: 2.9 GiB (41.5%) Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 11.4.0 Packages: 2121 Shell: Bash v: 5.1.16 inxi: 3.3.13This laptop seems to use ALC236, which seems to have a lot of problem on linux. If you search on the web, people seems to have different issues with different fixes on various laptop with ALC236. I’m not quite sure what’s the issue in your case, but searching for
"ALC236" linux micmight yield some relevant results, such as this one.I only just realized my previous comment formatted like total ass, I’m so sorry. I’ll check it out, but it seems like I fucked up the Linux install somehow, to the point where it says “something went seriously wrong” in the BIOS before shutting my PC off. I have no idea what I did wrong since I didn’t even touch the flash drive it was on.
I only just realized my previous comment formatted like total ass
No problem since there is a “view source” button on lemmy which show the comment in its original formatting.
Could try the approach of posting a rant that mint can’t even do what you’re trying to do with it, therefore it sucks and anyone that likes it is wrong and a bad person and it’s easier to just deal with Windows.
holy shit that might actually work
Have you tried creating a throwaway account and post a wrong answer to your own question?
