And healthy body
Aye… :(
Fuck solarpunk. I buy carefully, not mindlessly, based on what I’m getting and for how long, with the intent of not having to replace what I buy. So let’s get that out of the way, this isn’t about the merits of environmental preservation or efficient use of our resources.
I need mass media because I ENJOY PLAYING VIDEO GAMES. I don’t want to live in the fucking “gay space commune”, I want to live in a world that feels good to me, and you solarpunk assholes seem to say people like me who escape from reality because they’ve NEVER been capable of supporting themselves should start a fucking garden?!
Newsflash. I. Don’t. Like. Your. “Utopia”. I never will. If you ever succeed in making your idea of a future a reality, I’ll burn it to the fucking ground as my revenge on you bastards. I hate your idea because all it does is change how I am oppressed as a disabled adult to how I was oppressed as a special needs child illegally taken from my parents by a corrupt mental health system.
You want to see a real utopia? A place where everyone is happy in the world they live in? Fucking find an oneirogenic drug that induces lucid dreams or create a VR metaverse.
Who I am in reality does not matter. Who I am in my mind can’t be expressed in a solarpunk world, only online. At least that’s how it used to be.
Why am I named the same as an Open Source Game? Cyperprep doesn’t have to mean “the future megacorps are not so bad!” but rather “megacorps control this dystopian future but they can’t always stop the signal and that means Open Source Software is the way to fight back”.
The difference between FOSS for smart devices and social networks and FOSS for games is that games are art and that means paid food production will take precedence over volunteer video games.
And no, you don’t get to say “get another hobby”. I know myself. I like technology. I don’t like preachy people. I stopped buying Apple when I stopped seeing unique-looking devices. I am a gamer. Most importantly, I am a sci-fi writer who wants optimistic stories that don’t assume the reader is a fully-capable person.
I am not demanding you write what I want to see. Only that you not try to turn reality into it. If you see this, once again, fuck solarpunk.
Cool story, bro.
This is a Wendy’s
No one is talking about you, mass media and consumerism has nothing to do with anything you described. Video games as a whole does not equal consumerism or mass media. Micro transactions and other terrible patterns do.
When was the last time you saw a video game in a solarpunk story?
Murder in the tool library
I didn’t even think there were serious solar punk stories, and even if so, aren’t all of them like technological utopias? Why would entertainment ie video games be gone from them? Even if they aren’t the focus (which makes sense) what reason would a solar punk society have to do away with video games?
@TeryVeneno I can’t imagine a solarpunk universe *without* games honestly. In my head-cannon they’re a vital part of education.
Agreed, it seems really odd for any such society to do away with something so beloved
Read “Project Hieroglyph” and the way one of its “optimistic” stories (“Girl in Wave: Wave in Girl”) shows a multiplayer superhero game and the main character hates it. That’s not how mental illness works, computers used to be GOOD for providing social contact. That’s not education, that’s “fix yourself”.
I am not broken. I am unhappy because I don’t want to live in a world where I face reality, whether that’s “IRL” or “social media”. You know why I like the 4th Matrix movie? It reminds us that this image isn’t what the world provides, it’s what the Matrix - real life - forces us to work towards. The Matrix isn’t just the fake world, it’s the fake world on top of a real one and the real escape is to change, not break, the system that binds us because there is nothing in the real but vast lifeless desert. Mars, the Moon… Dead rocks. There is no evidence of an afterlife nor any point to “accepting” a secular life you hate because you will still hate it and “scientific evidence only” doesn’t fix anything or change who you are.
Also are you ok? I find it rather odd to be this intensely invested about what is generally a fairly niche community in solarpunk. Not that the mission and ideology aren’t worth being passionate about, but I mean we are talking about video games and green societies nothing crazy.
I’ll definitely have to give that a read, though some quick reading of opinions about that work are fairly mixed.
Also no one has said you’re broken or that you need to face reality. The whole point of solarpunk is that will be no world to face unless we take action. And none of that has anything to do with video games or anything you have described.
Simple. Because most solarpunk is written by people who hate technology corporations.
To be fair, big tech is evil. Doesn’t change my point.
Um, but the majority of video games are not made by big tech? What is your point? Indie games are usually just better overall anyway. I’m really failing to see why any solarpunk society would stop people from making video games
Because solarpunk writers are rarely, if ever, gamers. Gamers are a niche subculture in the solarpunk works I’ve seen and as you’re seeing, people in the solarpunk community seem to like it that way.
My confusion continues to compound. Many of the people in this thread have zero issue with video games or actually play them. I really gotta see a source for
solarpunk writers are rarely, if ever, gamers.
All video games are made by technology corporations! Except for Open TTD of course.
Asshole, I never said that. I’m well aware TTD was originally a commercial product, that’s my entire point. You can’t make games for free, and yes, I value video games more than continued lifespan because art allows me to ignore a reality I despise for being defined by everyone else.
You don’t have the right to fucking judge me for the tiny little quirk of liking a game, I only mentioned it because it was mildly relevant.
Actually, I believe you can make games for free to consumers, and I believe systems inspired by solarpunk would, if anything, do a better job of encouraging this over our current political system. Art, including video games, doesn’t just disappear in solarpunk societies.
I’m not judging you for liking a game, I never said anything of the sort, lol. Although I find it hard not to judge you if you just bark insults.
I’m a shut-in, with untreated health issues, someone who partakes in escapism, and even someone who likes the idea of programming but can’t really do much (I tinkered on rendering polygons from text input last September and didn’t even finish it enough to be usable for me).
I haven’t seen much solarpunk but I’ve never thought to myself that it’d be worse for me. If I existed in an environment like that (particularly from birth or at least for a long time) I don’t think I’d be the same escapist shut-in. I could see open-source games still existing, and maybe programming being better even if people are less likely to have videogames as their most common activity. I’ve taken care of already-growing plants before, but it seems to me like a lax solarpunk environment would offer more options/opportunity than employment currently offers. Probably actual opportunity to travel, too.
Even carrying over my current mindset and (lack of) capability, I can’t see a solarpunk environment being even half as restricted as my experience now. I mean the whole idea is better community and technology used to help people (not strictly for money) so it seems to me you wouldn’t be required to garden.
To be fair, it seems like I may have had bad luck in the first three solarpunk works I ever experienced. My issue against the whole idea is “this is a society that can no longer afford to value non-practical pursuits, it is the future we are headed towards, therefore our present society can no longer afford to value non-practical pursuits” that was somehow in all three solarpunk works I encountered.
The three in question were Girl in Wave: Wave in Girl, the Necroverse by “RichM”, and a story that a fair-weather friend wrote that I no longer have a copy of that showed a dystopian cybersolarpunk hybrid where “Covid-19 has ended the modern age and now everything is powered by wind turbines because most of us are dead”.
As a result of such bad luck, I may have overestimated how central that theme of “self-sufficiency or die” is to the genre.
Bro, what does any of this have to do with solarpunk?
Just normal stuff…
So you think hurting people to make things the way you want them is acceptable? Because of video games? You are a dangerous man child (or maybe just a child).
You build my dystopia, you’re imprisoning me. I am a cornered animal, do not fuck with me.
Ah confirmation.
Confirmation indeed. It’s really too much to fucking ask that you NOT build another fucking prison? You, not me, are the sociopath. At least I reserve my angry rampage for if you succeed.
You judge me for liking what I like? You are literally trying to control my life by redefining society, and no, I’m not some rich skullfucker nor do I think people aren’t entitled to the same basic level of comfort I enjoy regardless of race, gender, eromantic orientation or anything else; they may not have it, but if you wanted real equality then you NEED to uplift people’s minimum living standard.
Apparently you care more about organic produce and trees than children or the homeless.
Who’s talking about building a prison? You’ve imagined an enemy in solarpunk that has nothing to do with solarpunk and are getting upset at an internet stranger that has made no claims about wanting to stop you from playing video games.
You’ll understand when your 13.
Then don’t build it and we’re fine. I’m angry because I’m disabled and Solarpunk is usually Ableist yet everyone is obsessed with social media detox and lumping all technologies in with it.
The solarpunk you’ve imagined in your head is ableist. Solarpunk is but an aesthetic. Don’t assume so much and try to understand more nuance.
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We have made it so that having the freedom to choose, a most basic human need, feels like doing incorrect stuff.
Like, just choosing to leave a relationship subjects you to so much pain and hate that you’d rather not do it.
It sucks, but sadly a lot of these things are luxuries. Some are getting better but others worse (for example, there are less birds now than in the past, or at least it seems that way).
But do you understand how much money you can make if you make them paid Add-ons or subscription based?!?! Think of the money! Think of the riches!
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Slow mornig
But my time for fun and play is spent on mass media and consumerism!
The other morning my dogs woke me up way too damn early, but it meant I got to watch a very fat pigeon on the power line behind my house, and I got to see the finch population rapidly increase around it. (I swear I saw one little bird and by the time I got out of bed there were 5 jetting around. Pigeon did not move.)
I agree that these are luxuries for a lot of people. Some of them can be found with mindset shifts (from “fuck you dogs” to “oh look, pretty birds” for example) but it’s also hard to shift your mindset to positivity when our society tries its damnedest to beat happiness out of you.
Larry, I’m on Ducktales.
Imagine being this smug when yourself.
My good night’s sleep was cut short by listening to birds singing…what now?
Your morning just got longer. Slow morning 🤗
Sooo being a Hobbit? Yeah I’m good with that
I’d also add science - a subset of reading I suppose, but it can lead to experiments and theoretical models. I love it, costs me nothing (thanks Wiki supporters) and there’s still so much to learn and discover.
These are great but aren’t colorful sunsets (at least in part) a side effect of air pollution? ;)
Sailor’s delight
Or when blood has been spilled that night
Most of those shouldn’t be luxuries, but rights.
Most of these should be rights
This. Especially in modern first-world nations. There are plenty of resources for the wealthy to still be wealthy and everyone to have at least economic security.
This is just all the stuff I don’t have time for after kids.
stop having kids
I did after 1
I had most of these things before having a kid :( life was good back then
reminder that it takes a village to raise a child, it’s so fucked up that people are expected to raise kids on their own and just have no free time
My work moved me away from family, not much I can do about that for the next 3 years.
not much I can do about that for the next 3 years
So, you live on a desert island? because if you don’t, and you don’t, there is plenty you can do about it… I guarantee that wherever you are, there is a supportive community to be a part of.
Oh yeah I’m part of a couple of fantastic support communities, but those take more time, not give it back to you. The independent time without a child is what has evaporated.
