I hate when people say that they’ll only move when it has 100% support
People who say ‘cant wait for steamOS to come out so that I can move to it’ is also very similar
They never will try Linux, even if what they want comes true
They won’t do it, whether they just fear change or think it’ll break stuff or they can’t bother
And I’m not going to lie, I don’t hate them or debate with them for it, I just hate the bold lies they tell just to get with the crowd
“Fuck you Microsoft, I’m moving to Linux” says the individual that would never move if they haven’t already
Frankly, I probably wouldn’t move either if Windows didn’t permanently break my ethernet and WiFi drivers, and reinstalling windows wasn’t harder than installing Linux, fucking hell
Either way, these people kick up hype for a Linux that will be so much bigger but they never arrive
Maybe they will, due in fucking 2028 or something when they invent a really easy way to use built in Linux tools to move your files from NTFS to Linux and then when you launch steam you have a perfect library of Linux compatible games that are as good or better than windows
And don’t lie, even now with 80% compatibility it feels more like 60%, whether because it depends on the system one runs or because the performance drops just make it not worth it…
At least don’t lie that you’ll move to Linux at a goal post that you’ll just move whenever you get close, maybe say that you’ll move to Linux when you finally get a new pc with a new disk or something?
I’ve used linux on my laptops and non-gaming devices for a long time, but it took me a long time to switch my gaming desktop over. I’ve felt i could use linux full time most of the last 8 years (and especially for games since 2020 as i rarely play anything with anti-cheat anyway), but i only went linux on all devices as of 2 years ago when i built a new gaming PC so it required starting from scratch anyway, and aside from a few components i intended to retain for the new one, i could easily drop back to play a game if i ran into problems.
They won’t do it, whether they just fear change or think it’ll break stuff or they can’t bother
Not everyone has the time nor feels the need to just rip and replace on a dime. Not everyone has the luxury of multiple devices to gain confidence. Some people only have a handful of hours a week to play games, so switching OS isnt going to be an immediate priority sven if its their desire.
And I’m not going to lie, I don’t hate them or debate with them for it, I just hate the bold lies they tell just to get with the crowd
The world already has enough things to tear us all down, why flip a table and possibly be unable to game for a time just because doing it right away, according to you, is the only way to be honest or whatever. A vocal desire to dump windows doesnt equate to lying. Let people be excited about linux even if they dont make the switch themselves. Maybe their excitement inspires someone else to take the plunge who wouldn’t have done so otherwise.
Also, if you felt the need to write this rant, seems like you do kinda hate them.
At least don’t lie that you’ll move to Linux at a goal post that you’ll just move whenever you get close, maybe say that you’ll move to Linux when you finally get a new pc with a new disk or something?
even tho i knew i was “done” with the windows since like 2018, I just simply waited until it was convenient to switch. Should i have qualified every conversation where i discussed linux gaming with this? Idk, maybe just let people be excited about something, even if it takes them a long time to get to it.
Maybe they will, due in fucking 2028 or something when they invent a really easy way to use built in Linux tools to move your files from NTFS to Linux and then when you launch steam you have a perfect library of Linux compatible games that are as good or better than windows
Uh… This has existed a long time. Mounting ntfs on linux is rather easy. Even a windows boot disk. Just point steam at the library folder. In fact, my steam library is installed on ntfs in case i ended up dual booting or using gpu passthrough to a windows vm for a few items. If you’re gonna sit here and virtue signal about who is a real linux gamer or not maybe you’d at least know something as basic as mounting ntfs in linux…
Hey it’s just like EVs or any other new technologies. The enthusiasts or believers will dive in first and deal with all the complicated setups. If it is actually better, these enthusiasts will form a company or already be a company who will create a product that will dominate the industry because they have a better product. Valve is definitely setup to be that company with the funds and competitive reasons to compete with Microsoft (windows/xbox store vs steam store). Steam store is their money maker but they face risks from Microsoft. Luckily Microsoft has to be careful due to antitrust issues because of their size, ie, Apple Store.
Be a cheerleader, encourage these people to take the dive. If you’re hating on people who want their stuff to just work you’ll never grow to get the casual pc / gamer user. Change is hard, most people are not looking to tinker.
I like this comment
If the game doesn’t run on Linux, there’s a good chance it’s using a rootkit and should not be installed on windows either.
And/or that it’s coded badly. So I double don’t want it.
The game Smalland crashes Linux so hard, and I am tired of trying every possible launch option command and suggestion to get it running. I don’t know if it uses a root kit but it does something that causes the whole desktop to freeze.
Smalland
On protondb it has Platinum status https://www.protondb.com/app/768200/. It should work atleast with steam and proton. If I’m not mistaken.
I thought so too, which is why I got it, but I have tried every suggestion in the protondb site and the steam forums and only got it to load the game one time before crashing the whole system, and this is running fedora 41, it freezes everything as soon as it loads. I’m sure I could check logs and prob try it again currently as I see proton-ge was recently updated, but I just moved on to a better game.
I know absolutely nothing about this game, and this comment might even come off as patronizing because of course you tried this… But if this is a game that has a Linux runtime, then Steam is going to default to that. In my experience, running the Windows version through Proton often works better… So I would double check that you’re using proton in the “compatibility” page in the per-game settings.
Also, if you haven’t yet, I’d try Proton-GE as that will sometimes work while regular Proton doesn’t.
Probably just a waste of time, but just in case you hadn’t tried yet…
I don’t feel that this is patronizing as I would be suggesting the same to someone who said they were having issues. I have tried the latest proton, the hot fix, the glorious egg roll version and several beta versions, and it’s that one game that crashes Linux.
Then I’m sorry about your experience. Maybe it has something to do with the versions of programs/libraries specifically on Fedor’s distribution. If I have the opportunity, I could try to run this game, but I have Arch linux.
Hey thanks for your concern, I have been thinking of other distros but so far everything has been running fine on Fedora, if it comes about that a game I really enjoy becomes unplayable then I will start checking out Arch.
If push comes to shove you can still try to run it using virtualization
This made me never want to try Linux.
The thing is that the privacy, speed, usability and configurability are so much better, it’s only you that’s missing out by making a statement like that. I’m sure it makes no difference to OP.
I switched in April and I cannot believe I was missing out on this for so long.
Nah I’m pretty sure OP is seething and they’re living in their head rent free.
They wouldn’t have typed an entire wall of salty, griping borderline man baby text if these users didn’t bother them. They clearly do.
That’s true.
Fair enough, and who knows, maybe I will try it, I like open source and everything. It’s just op’s attitude was unappealing to say the least.
I, too, make decisions based on what a random internet stranger’s attitude towards a thing is.
Yeah, I agree that OP’s attitude is unappealing. But it’s not like OP is an official spokesperson or ambassador for Linux or anything like that. It’s just a person giving their opinion. And in any large group of people there’s always going to be some that you don’t agree with. (and often they are the loudest most visible ones…)
And my comment was more to comment on the attitude rather than Linux itself.
Who cares tbh
Im Sure you think this is some sort of a ‘gotcha’ statement but I don’t really care, I’m more annoyed at people who wouldn’t even try but say that they will
Yeah, it’s a piss baby attitude. Why do you care if they don’t?
Because they act like they do care
Or maybe they just say they will try it to get you to stop badgering them about Linux
I always find it puzzling when adults act like “You told me to do a thing so now I don’t want to do it” or “You said a thing that’s true, but in a way that made me feel bad so I refuse to accept it”. What’s going on in there?
Related question, do you think in words or feelings? Some people have a whole inner monologue, and some people do not. Some people think in pictures, or just wordless impulses.
It’s less of a knee jerk reaction of insolence against some perceived authority to rebel against, and more that I found the demeanor and entitlement of the post to be so utterly repugnant that I was put off. “You said you’d use Linux and didn’t how dare you”. It’s like a toddler throwing a tantrum over people whom may not exist.
As for your related question, the subtext is that you are accusing me of being an unthinking person who reacts only out of emotion, and I don’t particularly care for that, nor do I have any reason to tell you my internal mental processes, so I decline answering it.
You did come off as someone who reacts only on emotion, since that’s all that was visible in your previous post.
Being put off by the delivery of information is not typically a good reason to dismiss it. If someone says to you “3 is a prime number you donkey” you’re hopefully not going to reject that because they were rude. I mean, we all do that to some extent, but it’s a pretty sloppy shortcut.
Since we’re talking about how people come off, you come off as one of those people who like to think they are logical and rational but are very dismissive of emotions (of others) and come off as condescending, because you are. You’re also probably pedantic.
So, to appeal to your rational side, just because a decision is based off of emotion doesn’t inherently invalidate it. If someone said “3 isn’t a prime number you donkey” and you got mad and argued that it was, you’re still correct even if the way you got to that conclusion wasn’t rational.
It’s probably a variation of ad homonym but I’m not going to bother to look up the specifics.
I think people over value emotions, but I realize I’m part of people too and it happens to me. Emotions are a fast heuristic but they’re not very inaccurate. They’re good for when speed is important, or when more information isn’t available. Neither is true on an async post about Linux. But yes, I can be dismissive of emotions but it’s something I’m working on.
I’ve seen too many people make strange, unhelpful, decisions because like “someone told me to do something and now I won’t” or “that guy was rude so I’m not going to listen”. That’s what your post felt like to me. (Note the emotional dimension there, heh)
Like, imagine a friend who always forgets their plans, is late, and double books themselves. You probably can’t just be like “use a calendar, dude”. You probably have to gently massage them and incept the idea. If you just tell them, they’ll feel bad, reject the idea, and continue having problems. (In real life, some months later the friend did come around to using a calendar, but only after uselessly wrestling with feeling bad)
It’s like a toddler throwing a tantrum over people whom may not exist.
Sure… But your reaction was also childish and irrational.
A little bit of the pot calling the kettle black…
It’s a little calculated, but probably wouldn’t get picked up on by people.
Yeah, I also don’t like such general laziness. It’s also not just limited to switching to Linux, it’s kind of the same with switching to anything that’s better but slightly(!) more inconvenient than what you’re used to. Well, you can’t make or be part of some progress unless you’re willing to sometimes get off your comfy couch and do something you’ve never done before. Like switching to Linux. Like stopping eating meat. Like stopping supporting certain evil companies. Like going to vote for a non-retarded option. Like voting with your wallet for the products you use/buy and also NOT use/buy. If everyone would do it, the world would be a different (better) place. But still too few are doing it. Because it’s slightly less convenient. And that would be so damn hard to change. Oh man would that be hard. Not.
That list keeps getting smaller
If it doesnt work on Linux I aint buying. Fucking manchilds without selfrespect.
If it don’t work on linux cause it was made for windows, fine. Console software doesn’t run on any os natively for example and I aint mad. If it is following the trend of “it works on linux but we ticked a box on our anticheat so it doesn’t” then I am a bit upset.
Try to play Diablo 2 or Commandos on a new windows box … Possible but a huge hassle IMO.
Using the same source ports that run them on Linux, but on Windows instead, is not a significant hurdle or differentiator between the OSes.
This, linux is actually much easier for older games
I hate when people say that they’ll only move when it has 100% support
Why do you give a shit what os others use?
Because of bandwagon effect. The more people use linux, then even more will. And itll get more support from software and hardware developers. And the world will be more free, safe, and not controlled by a big corp.
Well said
There’s precisely one reason I care, to increase compatibility with linux.
Once anticheat works perfectly on linux, I’ll completely stop caring what other people do. Everything else will come with time.
Frankly I started to hold Linux like it was a religion, but beyond that admission it’s not that I care about them but them constantly saying shit like so which they know they don’t actually believe in or will do
Imagine advocating for a protest just for you to not even show up
I’ve been playing with linux since the mid 90s. I have it on majority of my devices, but my main is still running windows 10. Exactly because it doesn’t run everything I need 100%, nor do I enjoy spending hours trying to get things to work anymore.
I mean, I think protests are important but I have to work to stay out of the homeless shelter
As a Linux user, this post is exhausting.
SteamOS is exciting. Many people had their first proper experience of using Linux with the steamdeck and many of those thoroughly enjoy the experience. I imagine its a great comfort to know that your OS is being supported by the same people who gave you such a great experience in the past.
I’m sure theres a tiny fraction of people who absolutely are just moving the goalpost over and over, but most people just want something that works for them with minimal friction. SteamOS will do that, and it’ll be familiar.
Pointless discussion.
Windows doesn’t run every game i want. I couldn’t get the first Command and Conquer to be playable at all. I have had the same experience many times with older strategy and simulation games: they just don’t work very well on modern Windows.
By contrast, so far Linux does play every game i want. My entire library going back decades works just fine with Wine or Proton. It’s easy once you get used to using a translation layer.
I don’t play Apex, League, or Fortnite, so that’s probably why i dont feel like i’m missing anything on Linux.
“it has to run every single piece of windows software or else its useless”
Im ngl, I feel like its posts like these that make people dislike Linux users. Expecting every game that you own to run perfectly isn’t some insane requirement, its totally reasonable lol. I get that its kinda frustrating people won’t ever switch, but lets be real, the only way Linux is actually going to gain new users is by having it come pre-installed on devices. Look at the increased Linux use because it’s the default OS on the steamdeck. It just needs to be the default on more devices, and be solid enough that people don’t even notice they’re not on Windows. The amount of people who will actually go out of there way to switch their OS is so negligible it may as well not even count. So who cares about these people who will never switch, because they probably won’t matter much in the end anyway.
–And I say this as someone who has been on Linux full time for a little over a year now.
it is insane, because it doesn’t even fucking apply to any version of windows, it’s bog standard for older windows games to just shit themselves in various ways.
Lol, most games I own don’t run on windows without substantial tweaks and compatibility patches. Even then often games are buggy.
A game with texture issues on windows is badly made, a game with texture issues on linux is a game that doesn’t run properly on linux /shrug
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