• michaelnik@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    It’s a pity that the dont improve touch experience. Especially floating touch keyboard situation - there is none (working well).

    My only complain in (default PopOs/Gnome’s?) Dolphin file explorer there is no “space” to right click in the “current” directory… Otherwise IMHO it’s no worse than Windows!

  • BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Old gnome is nostalgic to me, because my first venture into Linux was Fedora Core 4. I was still using Win98 at the time, and gnome 2.10 felt so modern in comparison, with rounded corners and soft gradients.

    Coming back to Linux after having not touched it for a very, very long time I tried gnome again and I just do not like it at all. It’s weird looking. Maybe too modern for me, i don’t know.

      • BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        I’ll check that out, thanks! It does look nice. I have two PCs with Mint with Cinnamon, I’m pretty happy with. I have one more PC to switch over to Linux, I’ll probably try MATE on that.

  • ☂️-@lemmy.ml
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    3 months ago

    nah gnome is great with ms+kb. as well as touch.

    get outta here with this 2011 meme.

  • bdonvr@thelemmy.club
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    3 months ago

    In a land where desktops can be ripped out and replace with ease - what’s the point in arguing? GNOME isn’t my thing but I’m glad it’s an option.

    • wer2@lemm.ee
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      3 months ago

      My main complaint with how Gnome does stuff is in environments where it is the only option (e.g. RHEL).

      • 3laws@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        Which then is no longer an issue with GNOME but rather RHEL. But again, it’s not like we can’t figure out a way to install whatever in Hanna Montana’s dreams is allowed. 🤙

          • gimsy@feddit.it
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            3 months ago

            You can also mix login manager, window manager with desktop background managers, wallet managers etc…, in practice you can build your own desktop experience

            • SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee
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              3 months ago

              I know the answer is “just build it” but man I want to be able to have adm<username login under something like nemo and a terminal window only. But then have username login under full Mint Cinnamon. Would be quite dope. Just don’t feel like making it happen at the moment. I’ll have to reconfigure permissions to revoke from my standard user.

              Edit: oops you can comment out text in Lemmy?

          • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
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            3 months ago

            It will be goofy as the config files will still stick around between desktops.

            I would runs desktop in a container or VM.

          • Flipper@feddit.org
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            3 months ago

            Depends on your login flow. There is a session manager which normally boots up and let’s you choose. But you can also configure it to auto login and send you to the Lockscreen of your window manager.

    • jj4211@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Mainly because gnome is harder to ignore than a lot of other opinionated DEs.

      It’s been the default target for fedora and red hat, and like other choices rh makes, it propagates throughout the broader ecosystem.

      Even if you ignore them, they dictate how Linux desktops are broadly allowed to work by largely asserting authority over FreeDesktop and by extension Wayland.

      One of these is that they absolutely hate the concept of server side decorations, as a result even as they begrudgingly allowed it as a Wayland protocol, they insisted that it must not be mandatory and they are allowed to ignore it. This means applications that do not care about their decorations otherwise now must care about their decorations. As a user, the consequence is that any GTK application you might use is likely to just pop out as a gnome looking window among a bunch of otherwise consistent windows.

      • Semperverus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        I avoid all of the modern gnome apps now as a result of this.

        Even Windows allows the equivalent of server side decorations…

  • Affidavit@lemm.ee
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    3 months ago

    Thankfully Gnome is ridiculously customisable. The native experience is shit, but installing a few extensions fixes all the issues I had with it at least.

      • Affidavit@lemm.ee
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        3 months ago

        I agree, but a couple of programs I use were specifically made compatible with Gnome. It only took me three extensions to make my UI look like KDE though, so it wasn’t too bad.

      • Hawk@lemmynsfw.com
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        3 months ago

        I’ve been a big fan of gnome since the gnome2 days. I was ok with Gnome3 when it came out. Typically preferred it over plasma.

        Having recently tried plasma, yeah it’s certainly the better desktop environment. They have done a fantastic job, very impressive.

        I suspect QT is simply a better toolkit, however I have limited experience with gtk as qt fits my needs better for work. I’m excited to see where Iced and Cosmo goes, just wish iced had a stable webview (although a web socket is probably good enough for my needs anyway. )

      • Affidavit@lemm.ee
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        3 months ago

        That’s fair. A couple of programs I use are more compatible with Gnome so I had an incentive to get it working. My desktop is pretty much identical to KDE/Windows with a start menu (ArcMenu extension), a taskbar (Dash to Panel extension) and I’ve removed all keyboard shortcuts to the Overview eyesore and have prevented it from showing up at launch (No overview at start-up extension).

    • Bakkoda@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      3 months ago

      5 minutes with extension manager in Bazzite and i had Gnome exactly how i wanted it. I also haven’t used Gnome in like 20 years.

    • jol@discuss.tchncs.de
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      3 months ago

      Last time I’ve used minimize and maximize buttons was 20 years ago. And yet I think accessibility is more important than whatever the fuck designers that create clean dumb UIs think is important.

      • MehBlah@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Except for this one Debian machine I have to maintain. They will still disappear on ever restart. They will still be turned on in tweaks and the only way to get them to appear is to switch them from right to left. Luckily I don’t have to use it much.

    • Steve Dice@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Tbf, you can maximize by double-clicking the titlebar or dragging the window to the top so the button is kind of redundant. You can also (un)minimize by clicking on the taskbar so the minimize button would too be kind of redundant if GNOME hadn’t gotten rid of the fucking task bar.

      • MehBlah@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        So the solution is I change my decades long habits. Sounds kinda like microsoft.

        • Steve Dice@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          3 months ago

          lol somebody woke up on the wrong side of bed. I’m just telling you the reasoning as to why it’s done because it’s a fun fact. I don’t care what you use. Chill.

              • MehBlah@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                3 months ago

                Its pretty standard thing to say to someone who thinks projects their emotional state onto someone else. Nothing about my statement suggested I ‘woke up on the wrong side of the bed’ It does however suggest you can’t take a rebuff and act childish about it.

  • ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml
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    3 months ago

    I feel like the majority of DE developers are just back-end developers, which like, of course that’s not going to be a great user experience lol

  • Faresh@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    3 months ago

    I actually like Gnome. I like the way it looks and I have no problems with UX. I also don’t feel the need to use any extensions.

    ¯\_(‘_’)_/¯

  • aggelalex@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Gnome is not really touch-centric, it’s more keyboard-crentric. Sure, the activity overview is great for touch. It’s even greater for the keyboard though. And I don’t like using the mouse a lot anyway

      • VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        3 months ago

        You activated my trap card! My sickness was but a simple ruse to lure you into complacency! Your attack was weak, unfocused! I jump up, standing on my bed, your face is now easy prey for my unnaturally sharp knees. The structural rigidity of your nose is now forfeit!

    • Darorad@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Its good for people who like the one very specific workflow they go for.

      My main problem with it is they cause problems for like every other DE. GTKs insistence on only supporting CSD makes any GTK app integrate so much worse on anything else. (Vice versa having no fallback ssd, so apps are just broken on gnome if the toolkit doesn’t support CSD)

      Or all the problems it’s caused with various Wayland protocols by refusing to compromise or saying nothing until it’s almost finalized then coming out against them.

      Like Valve explicitly calls out gnome as unsupported because they refused to implement DRM leasing for years.

      I don’t dislike gnome because of the software itself, opinionated projects are good, even when I have different opinions. I dislike gnome because I think it’s a net negative to the Linux ecosystem as a whole.

    • Steve Dice@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Yeah, it’s almost usable but I suspect most people don’t wanna deal with broken extensions every new release. Last time my extensions broke, all I had to to was change the target version in the manifest. Clearly, there weren’t enough changes to the DE to warrant breaking them and they were just broken on purpose.

      • VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        3 months ago

        Yeah, it usually takes a week for the official versions of the extensions I use to work again after a gnome version update. It’s easily worked around, usually, but that hard break every update sucks.

        I just dislike the way KDE structures it’s menus more, and while I suspect that I could tweak KDE to be something I like using, I also suspect that that would be much more annoying to fix for the next mayor Update.

        I sometimes think about swapping over to i3, but I haven’t yet had the leisure to give it a try.

        • Steve Dice@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Do you mean the application menu? Not trying to evangelize here, it’s just that I almost never see it because Krunner is so integrated with everything in KDE that it feels like the intended way to launch stuff so I find it weird that the application menu bothers you.

          If you mean the menus on the applications themselves, fair enough, I guess. I also don’t understand why they’re still just a regular app menu (File, Edit, etc…) but crammed into a single button.

          • Darorad@lemmy.world
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            3 months ago

            Yeah, the single menu button is my biggest issue with KDE apps, I wish there was a way to turn that off system-wide instead of having to do it for every app.

          • VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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            3 months ago

            Oh, yeah, that also annoyed me. I actually meant the settings menu, though. I have set up KDE for friends/family a few times, and depending on screen size and scaling, even in conditions that shouldn’t be edge cases, there where sometimes scrollbars in both directions.

            I also just, kinda don’t like the vibe, I guess? That’s extremely subjective, I know, just something I noticed every time I worked with KDE.

    • AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.netEnglish
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      3 months ago

      “Fight me if you want, I’m sick in bed and have time.”

      I’m also sick and in bed, and this is such an appealing offer of a sparring match, but alas, I’ve never used Gnome