I was banned for saying ukraine has a right to defend itself, on the grounds of that being “pro war”.

you are everything that’s wrong with the internet.

sports news, get off your high horse.

i have a mastodon account but it’s completely useless for me.

the only thing i use twitter for is to follow updates and news from professional journalists and artists who are not on mastodon and likely will never be. if your job depends on twitter, switching to mastodon is not going to happen.

if i want to engage with random average people, i come here to lemmy.

18th century toilet reading material.

dunno, i feel like half the humor of barf scenes is how utterly unrealistic they are.

because he works in mysterious ways of course.

bro do you got any snacks to go with this

i’m sorry ya’ll, i’m working on it with my therapist.

I’m not saying all of our current meat and fish systems are perfectly humane and sustainable. I agree a lot needs to be corrected and reduced there. What I am saying is you can’t completely eliminate all animal based sources of food from the planet and expect to feed everyone adequately.

yes, clearly I was talking about for sustenance.

I’ve seen many comments on Lemmy glorifying hunting and fishing and nobody gets angry when they don’t get removed.

Hunting and Fishing is the circle of life. As long as we do it as humanely as possible it is necessary to feed 8 billion people. In fact in some instances it can be ecologically helpful, like culling invasive species. The same cannot be said for continually feeding an inadequate diet to a living animal.

Someone makes a comment about the theoretical possiblity of vegan cat food and people freak out when they reinstate it.

To me there’s a fine line between discussing “the theoretical possibility” and recommending it to cat owners. Of course it’s theoretically possible, but as far as I can tell it has not been proven in practice yet, and should not be recommended.

i think you misunderstood OP.

I think this is showing how much faith people have in regular commercial pet food. Normal pet food isnt great for your pets, look into what the ingredients actually are and their quality.

firstly, you can’t just say the entire “regular” pet food industry is of poor quality and bad for your pets. it’s not a monolith. if you want to criticize poor quality pet food by all means go ahead, but it’s not like switching to a vegan food automatically fixes that. if anything you’re more likely to get food lacking in nutrients if you go plant based.

secondly you can’t just say “look what the ingredients actually are” which is ingredient list fear mongering. of course average people are going to see a few ingredients they don’t recognize, but everything on there has been studied and approved as safe by the FDA. so what specifically in “regular” pet food do you think is so bad?

the issue is not intent. i believe you have good intentions. i do not believe that average people, even vegans, have enough knowledge on cat dietary needs and health to do it safely.

even professional plant-based cat food makers can’t reliably make food that meets AAFCO standards for cat nutrients. that’s why the FDA advises against it.

we’re not talking about some hypothetical future cat food. we are talking about current recommendations for cat owners.

the fact is current plant based foods for cats have not tested well as complete diets. maybe at some point in the future it will be possible, but the point is it isn’t now, and should not be recommended.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34438805/

Nutrients most commonly found insufficient were: sulfur amino acids, taurine, arachidonic acid, EPA and DHA, calcium phosphorus and vitamin D. There were no nutrients unable to be provided from non-animal sources. Compliance with labelling guidelines was also poor, similar to other findings with commercial animal-based pet products. The results from this study indicate areas where producers of plant-based pet foods must improve to meet the industry recommended nutrient profiles and labelling requirements.

Regular cat food is food made in the lab combined with such low grade meat that humans can’t eat it.

That’s literally false. Cat food is completely safe to eat for humans, it is just not recommended to eat regularly because the nutrients are formulated for, go figure, cats’ dietary needs.

It turns out that pet diets all around are poorly understood by average people, who regularly shorten their cats lives or cause illnesses.

because animal diets are really well understood by people who make the food. in fact we understand pet/livestock diet even better than human diet because it’s easier to test diets on animals.

if you simply buy food your vet recommends your pets will have an excellent diet. average people just don’t need to know any more than that.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34438805/

Nutrients most commonly found insufficient were: sulfur amino acids, taurine, arachidonic acid, EPA and DHA, calcium phosphorus and vitamin D. There were no nutrients unable to be provided from non-animal sources. Compliance with labelling guidelines was also poor, similar to other findings with commercial animal-based pet products. The results from this study indicate areas where producers of plant-based pet foods must improve to meet the industry recommended nutrient profiles and labelling requirements.

so in fact it turns out plant based pet foods are actually less reliable than meat based ones.

Note that even if a study is currently reproducible, it will only continue to be reproducible until it isn’t. There isn’t something fundamental that makes a specific scientific study objectively true or false — that isn’t how science works.

no one said anything to the contrary. that is just the minimum requirement for health claims to not get removed, not an endorsement of absolute truth.

ask your vet if they have considered the topic of vegan cats.

that’s like saying round earth is a contentious topic. some people will believe anything.