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My issue is honestly just the inconsistency of when spells would work or wouldn’t. That and the fact that many dangerous situations could have been ended immediately if they used a spell they knew. I watched the movies and was yelling at the screen to use a certain spell to solve the situation but they just run away scared and helpless.

Late stage capitalism at it’s finest

Interesting read, thanks

I won’t argue Matthew since either way you look at it, it’s bad. Right there we’ve shown not everything he says is loving.

Yes, everyone had slaves. But slavery is slavery, I’m not interested in the different flavors of slavery or justifying it because everyone did it. Jesus speaking about it and relating his people to slaves while not condemning it seems evil af to me. It’s owning people, it’s clearly wrong.

I don’t misunderstand the difference, but you seem to think Jewish slavery was apparently not that big of a deal. I think owning someone, even if they seem like part of the family, is still wrong. Indentured servitude is wrong. Trying to split hairs is just justifying it. Jesus said “and a servant who knows what the master wants, but isn’t prepared and doesn’t carry out those instructions, will be severely punished.” Doesn’t sound loving to me.

Here are some of the rules for Jewish slaves, and the consequences for hurting them

• A master who knocked out a slave’gs eye or tooth must let him go free. No punishment, you just get to be free without an eye now.

• If a master beat or harmed a slave, the slave could go free. Again no punishment, you just get to actually be free

Kind seems like they aren’t treated fair. Jesus could have said something about that, but he never did. In fact he spoke to it without issue.

Can I see evidence or info you have of those historical accounts?

That’s why we have the separation of church and state

Weeps in Utahn

Matthew 15, yes, shows the point.

I highly disagree on Matthew 10, that seems like strong apologetics. I don’t see how saying he brings the sword means his people will suffer from spreading his word.

John 14, still is gatekeeping. Also theres some irony there with the wealth of the church

On Luke 12, yeah I get it. He also doesn’t condone slavery when having that discussion at all. Yes he uses the metaphor of servants awaiting their master’s return to illustrate accountability and judgment. But damn that’s a bad metaphor, equating followers to slaves. If you read further you also see v47 refers to someone who understands what God expects but willfully ignores it. Jesus warns that such a person will face severe consequences. Kinda like a slave being beaten for not listening, cool… Then in v48 he goes on that if the servant still does wrong but does not fully understand their responsibility. As a result, their punishment is lighter. Again, equating followers to slaves, and still punishing someone for something they don’t understand, very chill. Not only does he seem to not have issues with slavery, he seems to agree with some of the principles of it.

The quotes don’t seem off to me, they seem to express the point I was trying to make. Maybe I could have offered more color or explanation but I stand by what I called out.

I like stoned Jesus. Weed stoned, not biblical punishment stoned that is.

Umm there’s a few

When he spoke of division instead of peace (Matthew 10:34-36, Luke 12:51-53)

“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”

Acting like a gate keeper of Salvation (John 14:6)

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Slavery and servanthood (Luke 12:47-48)

“The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.”

Gentiles as ‘Dogs’ (Matthew 15:21-28)

When a Canaanite woman asks for help, Jesus initially replies: “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

There’s a few more, but I’m too lazy to keep going. The problem with the bible is it tried to be too many things at once. Especially trying to sell the concept of fear and love in one, which isn’t possible.

I’m saying that everyone isn’t treated the same and Luigi is a result of that inequality correcting itself. If everyone was treated the same then the Luigi situation wouldn’t be what it is.

A concept you don’t understand isn’t nonsensical simply because you lack the ability to understand it.

I don’t get your mindset. You acknowledge that the law being ignored is a problem. You admit that they might not have power over with it’s time. But you say extreme action is not the way to fix it. I mean, what other way is there?

I hope they find him not guilty and vigilante justice starts reminding people in power, those that horde 99% of the wealth at our expense, that the people can fight back. That courts and politicians can be corrupted and bought, like we’ve seen, but the people won’t just lie down and take it.

Ok if you don’t get me, look at Trump. 34 felonies and 0 punishment. Luigi commits one and the whole force drops on him. The rich have different laws than us.

Ok and if people in power refuse to press charges or just ignore it, then what? That’s the problem we’re facing. Trump was convicted, he is a 34 time convicted felon and has 0 consequences. The supreme court is corrupting the law itself. If the law was such that you go to jail for being gay, I would say it is very much up to the people to judge the ethics of that law. This whole concept is at the root of the civil war, and it’s why there had to be an actual war.

This. My wife’s brother isn’t a bad looking dude. I’d say maybe a solid 6. But he is exclusively attracted to women who are models or could be. A girl could be at a bar that most would find gorgeous, way out of his league, and he would be physically repulsed by her. He would nit pick every aspect of her build, hair, etc. He’s currently 35 and alone, living in his dad’s basement. Oh and he is a corrections officer, so there’s that.

And how do you propose we ensure they are applied to the rich and those in power? Because until that happens they are being forced on the common man much more, as a weapon for those in power.

Rich people and people in government already get away with this stuff. Our president is a felon. If people in power aren’t bound by the law then citizens will act. Only holding the people who act accountable is ensuring that the people in power never have consequences.

The person I replied to was literally encouraging that…

Also how exactly is it a strawman? It’s referencing the exact topic I was discussing with the previous person.

Sure, but this isn’t even asking for perfect. I’m pointing out the hypocrisy of willing choosing to let your cat go potentially kill things while preaching a vegan diet. It comes across extremely disingenuous.

I’d say letting your cat be outside and killing animals they don’t even eat isn’t minimizing much. Keeping them inside would minimize more.

Also, holy necro thread, 4 months ago lol

Not all people voted for it. Also, if you think that healthcare was a deciding topic I would disagree strongly. The party for voted in by being anti woke and anti immigrants.