I was curious what the Linux people think about Microsoft and any bad practices that most people should know about already?
It used to be pretty bad, back when it was using all the dirty tricks it could invent to build its monopoly. By now though it’s just obsolete.
Obsolete? Hardly. The Surface, GamePass, Xbox, GitHub, Skype and just general market dominance says otherwise. They only lost their effective monopoly due to antitrust lawsuits.
Currently, there’s lots of better options out there, true, but it’s far from obsolete.
Is Skype still a thing? I thought it died soon after MS bought it!
It’s a phone service and business communications. I have to use it for work
Huh, didn’t realise they were still bothering to sell it
It’s Teams, now.
Ugh, Teams. I can’t believe Skype and MSN died for this!
Sure enough, it’s up there with Facebook and Saudi Aramco.
Buggy and laggy. I work with it and its a daily pain for my soul and mental health.
Impossible to know it, there isn’t any other corporation who fight with M$ it is a perfect monopoly so it’s impossible to figure a world without it.
One word:
Recall.
I can’t remember
I would argue that all companies are bad. But Microsoft specifically abuses their de facto monopoly to engage in gross invasion of their users’ privacy, and continues to try to wrest their users’ control of their system from them by altering system settings after updates, and making some settings nearly impossible to change. And that’s to say nothing of MS’s attempts to turn their operating system into and advertising platform.
I don’t think the world is black or white. Of course Microsoft can make bad choices and prioritize profit, but Microsoft isn’t a person or and entity. MS is an enterprise driven by people that work there.
Linux community or any other community can also make bad choices, afterall it’s also people-driven and people are flawed.
I don’t excuse MS for really bad choices, but also don’t blame it. I just think that’s better to see the world complex as it is, not by judging stuff as ‘bad’ or ‘good’.
My good sir… if their modus operandi is rotten to the core… then you could generally say the enterprise is affected by it… (a few bad apples can spoil a bunch…)
You can’t compare a general community to a company. Linux community isn’t a single community. It’s like talking about the gaming community and putting everyone into one soup. Linux community isn’t a single entity. However Microsoft is a company and is an entity. Microsoft is an organization, which is one definition of entity. With a clear leadership, goal and driven by making money.
You can say if a company is bad or good, just like you can say if Google and Facebook is good or bad. But you cannot do this with broad collection of different communites, who act independently from each other, such as the “Linux community”. Each part of the Linux community has its own goals and does not even align with the other. Therefore it is not a single organization and not an entity. That’s why you cannot take this as an example as a counter argument to criticize/judge Microsoft.
You totally missed the point I was trying to say. And I’m not going to explain because of laziness.
I did not miss the point and corrected your statement not being applicable, because the comparison is totally wrong. And I explained why. You claim me being missing the point and not trying to explain, then I have to assume you have no explanation.
Linux community does not have a hierarchy that resolves to a single entity controlling the system. However Microsoft is a narrow company. And you are wrong when saying that Microsoft is not an entity.
Assume whatever you want. I don’t care
Just like Microsoft.
That’s because…
I’M A MICROSOFT EMPLOYEE IN DISGUISE!!!
Undoubtedly
The death of Windows means more people will come to Linux
pretty much.
If you need a point for developers: all public code repositories hosted on GitHub are harvested, at least in 2021, and used to train copilot regardless of their license. Furthermore, GitHub is OWNED by Microsoft now.
No offence, but have you been living under a Microsoft shaped rock for the past 30 years?
My lifespan is shorter than 30 years so yes.
Are you a Eggplant?
Haha, yes I’m an eggplant, thank you BTW, I enjoy seeing you posting! I think you were a reason I stick around lemmy.
Consider this; you were taught Microsoft <product> in school as it’s used in work environments, Microsoft <product> is used in work environments as it’s taught in schools or the person making the decision was only taught one product.
Why do you think Microsoft is giving free upgrades from windows 10 to 11, same thing from XP upwards. It’s vendor lock in, and that’s bad for many reasons
There is a lot out there on why from a lot of sources, so definitely not hard to do research on this. Definitely research the history of this company regarding anti-competition, Bill Gate’s letter to hobbyists regarding intellectual property and markets (which touches on the whole proprietary vs FOSS suff). You can also just use their products for a while and see for yourself, note what you like and what you don’t like (for me the latter is more likely), and make your own judgement.
Why did you link to the Microsoft website?
In case people didn’t know what company he was referring to. /s
I’m just hearing about them now. Do they make really tiny software or something?
One pet peeve of mine is how in Windows 10 switching between virtual desktops was flawless, and somehow in Windows 11 they fucked it up. At first it had no animation when switching, the taskbar kind of glitches. Now it has an animation but it’s kind of delayed and the taskbar still kind of glitches, it seems to reload or something. Kinda crazy honestly
Could it be the new taskbar? It’s the worst part of W11, I don’t understand why they had to replace the old one.
Yes. During the entire history of MSDOS, Windows and Internet Explorer, there are so many things you can pick why Microsoft is bad. Now they even integrate Recall into Windows. I want to say that I always disconnected Xbox from Microsoft; and I’m not entirely sure why.
The question of this post is a bit misleading, because it implies that someone could answer with “no”. Better question (in my opinion) is “How bad is Microsoft?”.
What does “bad” means to you exactly? They are the hypocrites just like any big corporation, value only money, they reinvent wheels all the time, but their products pretty good despite being non-free, and making programs is much easier for Windows then GNU/Linux.
It would be even better if they didn’t force you to use only their products.
You value simplicity or free of choice and privacy? The “bad” definition depends on it.
I do lean to having privacy and freedom to do whatever with my tools as “good” things
Then it’s very unusual question that GNU/Linux user could ask. If I may ask, what is your story with Microsoft? What was the last drop for you?
My last straw was the privacy and lack of control.
I didn’t like software being released by Microsoft telling me my choices were bad or unoptimal, I like my software, I made my choices from listening to others and forming my own opinion. I had a shift in thinking recently, I wanted to start selecting my software based on my values rather than just choosing whatever works.
It really depends on your perspective if windows is „easier“ to produce for. They are fully and redundantly vertically integrated which means they have the means to produce IDEs and even create programming languages.
But it is hugely easier to create a small app on linux imo. The simplicity of linux and the modularity of the different desktop environments is pretty great.
Is it tech illiterate friendly like windows? No! It would be great if everyone would be able to use linux now but we‘re gonna have to be patient.
I wish everyone use GNU/Linux too. Mostly agree with you. Except of calling Linux simple. I wish it was simple… (Unless you mean simplicity of use?)
In this particular case I meant that linux is the same in all regards: open source. You can look everything up if you have the time. This makes it possible to change everything and anything you need. Even through different DEs you still have the same structure.
Now if you go try that with windows, you‘re properly hosed. Different package manager? No! Different desktop environment? No!
Simple might not have been the best choice of words though. Modularity might be better.
