The title is a quote from Mastodon. I’ve always seen dislike towards snap so I was taken back when I saw this stance. The person who wrote this was referring to Tuxedo Laptops.

What are your thoughts on this?

EDIT:

Here’s the original comment: https://mastodon.social/@popey/112591863166141029

EDIT 2:

Some clarification for those accusing me of not following the thread or being disingenuous.

Didn’t bother to follow the thread?

https://mastodon.social/@popey/112593520847827981

I posted my question here before this particular response from the OP. I asked the question on Lemmy out of interest and wanting to get a wider perspective. I also engaged with the OP on the thread so that I can get their perspective on their stance.

  • hellofriend@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Snap annoys the piss outta me because of the forced updates. That said, never ever had a snap package not work for me. Whereas installing some things from apt just doesn’t work for whatever reason.

  • callcc@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    I think it’s a short term vs long term debate. In the short term snaps are nice. They might help you get that software you want right now. In the long term though, it will only take away some of your rights and make you into a product.

    There are also some interesting things to say about wording. Specifically consumer vs user. Software is not consumed, it’s used and depending on the specific software, the user might be abused by the people producing and controlling the software.

  • barsquid@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Anti-Snap is pro-consumer. Using Ubuntu at all is anti-consumer, I would rather Mint or just Debian.

  • ssm@lemmy.sdf.org
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    10 months ago

    corporate linux apologists promoting proprietary ecosystems are still corporate apologists promoting proprietary ecosystems

  • ZWQbpkzl [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    10 months ago

    I have a standing fatwa on snap only because it comes installed and enabled by default on Ubuntu server. Maybe it’s good for grandmas laptop but it’s kill-on-sight in a server environment. Every Ubuntu server I’ve seen has eventually been taken offline without any warning because of snapd doing some auto update.

    Ubuntu server should have snapd disabled. Ubuntu shouldn’t be the default distro for VPS providers. AFAIK its only the default because its the distro most people might have prior experience with.

    While I’m at it, Fedora is also on my shit list as dnf requires over a gig of memory to do a major version upgrade.

  • Norah (pup/it/she)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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    10 months ago

    The difference comes when they actively *block* installation (just like Mint does).

    Dude’s anti-Mint as well. From a different comment, seems like he works (or worked) for Ubuntu.

    You know what seems more anti-consumer to me? Trash-talking your competition for making different choices to you with your FOSS they’re legally allowed to re-distribute with any changes they like.

    It’s almost like if people don’t prefer those changes or something then they won’t be popular? Oh wait, Mint is hugely popular…

      • Possibly linux@lemmy.zipEnglish
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        10 months ago

        I feel like they shot themselves in the knee. Even if it was buggy I would of still tried to use it for fun. However, when they first came out I found out about them because it caused me to be unable to work. I used apt to install a CLI tool and then the CLI tool wasn’t working. I tried to manually get it from the Ubuntu repo only to discover it was snap only.

        It really pissed me off.

  • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
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    10 months ago

    There already is Flatpak. Many proprietary apps are shipped as Snaps, which helps with Flatpak packaging as the binaries can just be packed into a different container.

    Snap developers kinda help with making the whole portals, isolated apps stuff work.

    But thats about it.

    • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
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      10 months ago

      The Venn diagram of supported apps isn’t also a perfect circle. You can’t run VPNs as Flatpaks, and Flathub disallows CLI apps from being submitted (because the UX of using a sandboxed CLI app sucks). Snap doesn’t have these issues.

      • Samueru@lemmy.ml
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        10 months ago

        because the UX of using a sandboxed CLI app sucks

        I think it is more because of this issue because as far as I know snaps have some level of sandbox and you can still use CLI apps as you said.

        • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml
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          10 months ago

          Helix opens it’s own GUI when you run it. It’s not a CLI app in the same sense as git. I’m curious on the others you mention, since as a packager, I’ve seen firsthand CLI apps being declined (or allowed, but only with a hidden status on flathub.org)

          • boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net
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            10 months ago

            Interesting. Yes I had some other editor too, it opened a new terminal tab.

            There is some flatpak export bin directory where the binaries are, I think you can put that to your PATH and have a pretty good CLI experience.