Windows, it would look like windows…
Ensh*ttification = Capitalism. Every point, every annoyance, every spy attack, all lock-ins, and so on, is a result of that archaic sponsored belief system…
LinuxFX…
fine by me if they can imitate windows, sans all the ads, dark patterns, and shitty business model.
windows is actually a halfway decent os underneath all the enshittification crud.
How about the maintainers blocking a package that’s included in the default repository for ideological reasons?
what happened on this one?
Huh ? Not aware of this one, which distro and package ?
Some distro that uses the Ubuntu repos blocked users from even installing snapd manually without jumping through a bunch of manual hoops. It’s one thing to not preinstall it, but that reeked to me of exactly the “we know better than our users” attitude they were accusing Canonical of.
snaps heh
Like Windows.
What would it look like? I’d guess Amazon ads in the search bar, proprietary package managers overriding the old open package manager, and popup ads for distribution Pro?
Wait…
Ubuntu was my first distro because ubuntu was linux for outsiders many years ago. Any other distro was only for hardcore people. I don’t regret hopping around the linux world.
Same. I started really using Linux with Ubuntu 6.06 and was drawn in by its “Linux for human beings” goals - the Ubuntu homepage of the era really pushed the ideals of community and openness. Canonical sat in the background paying to send you free CDs in the mail. It was such an idealistic thing back then.
And then it all changed around 2010. The color scheme shifted to a shitty MacOS lookalike, the human elements were dropped, the logo was reworked, it got bundled with a paid music store, then Amazon ads in the search, and it’s been a roller coaster on a downward spiral ever since. I switched to Debian not long after the initial enshittification in the early 2010s and have not looked back, though I moved most of my systems to Arch a few years back because I like life in the fast rolling release lane and Debian wouldn’t support my new GPUs.
Hey! Sorry for the offtopic comment but… Glad you made it to Lemmy, and from the bottom of my heart: thank you so much for OpenRGB.
Awesome collab with KDE, Tuxedo, looking forward to the kernel implementation !
Huh? Is the previous poster an OpenRGB developer? That’s cool!
I got into linux right before all the snap drama really blew up (it did exist but didn’t seem to be quite as hot of a topic). I really liked my experience with Ubuntu, but seeing where Canonical has taken it, I’d never recommend it to anyone. I’d honestly advise newbies to use Debian. It’s incredibly stable, has a fantastic and well established community, and has everything an average user would want without adding layers of confusion with things like snap.
I also started on Ubuntu. They used to be pretty great, good device support and basically no hassle. But I am done af and not going back.
I used Ubuntu for over 10 years. I loved it. But Canonical does have a lot of baggage. Plus, I wanted to go to the source. So that’s why I use Debian. I’d still advise a new user to go for Mint if they loved the Windows UI or Ubuntu if they hated it. If you use and love Mint, I don’t think anyone would criticize you for continuing to use it. If you use and love Ubuntu, I’d say Debian is a very easy next step.
Yeah I’ve got Debian on the server and on my laptop and I don’t know why I’d want anything more user experience focussed. It just works for me.
I used to be “Debian on the server, Ubuntu on the desktop” but recently I’ve spun up a few Debian boxes for desktop and I’m pleasantly surprised.
Kinda wish Valve would go for a full-out supported distro that stays in step with the Deck for Linux gamers (the old desktop SteamOS is kinda abandoned from what I can see), among with making the deck frontend a supported desktop manager. It would make sense for them to do so and rake in the game sales whilst providing a well-supported platform without the shit others are doing.
Check out Bazzite, it’s basically that. I’ve been using it on my desktop for gaming and development for a month or so now and it’s been great.
That’s me as well, they did a lot to get newcomers in. It’s just easy to poke fun at them these days.
It was the only one that didn’t freeze when I plugged something into the USB port on my laptop when I started 20 years ago.
I’ve since moved to plain Debian because of canonical’s decisions.
What Fuckbuntu spin is that?
Stock
Ubuntu has had all three of those things. Amazon ads in the search bar was awhile back. Not sure but I assume they still hijack installing Firefox using apt and instead install it using snap. And Ubuntu Pro popups are a new thing.
You forgot selling user searches to amazon
Now that I was not aware of. WTF?
That’s insane.
Does anyone know if this is still the case? This video is 11 years old, but logic and common sense tell me that, if anything, it should be even worse now.
No clue, but they did their “whoopsie, didn’t know you wouldn’t like it, now it’s opt in” pretty quickly.
A while back I’ve read about some allegations that they’re illegally collecting data from Azure Ubuntu instances and sending Ubuntu pro marketing material.
It’s ridiculous how Ubuntu went from the easiest entry to Linux to one of the most hated distros in the community. Seriously, I’ll never understand how the broken brains of their leadership even work.
Not so much broken as change of focus. Their focus now is money, and it’s hard to turn down hundreds of millions of dollars.
There are ways to not having to turn them down while still providing a good product.
!$$$$$$!<
Ah, now it’s clear. The Apple of the Linux world.
Using sudo costs in game currency
I use rdo.
That’s locked behind the battle pass
😲
Sudo is on a cooldown
I totally enjoyed this video!
$ snips install ...Android?
We have this already. It’s called Ubuntu + Gnome
Gnome isn’t enshitification just because you prefer a different DE ffs
To quote Clem, head of Linux Mint: “At a time where GNOME applications are less and less designed to work anywhere else than in GNOME, a project like XApp is extremely important.”
Libaidwata breaks backward compatibility with older gnome versions and amongst other things doesn’t allow theming natively, so the Cinnamon team are going to have to fork off and maintain the older code which works so they can continue to have theming and stuff with Gnome apps.
Gnome seem to like doing the opposite of the Linux philosophy which says interoperability should always be a priority so that the code can be shared as freely as possible.
I can’t tell whether they are stupid or lazy over at Gnome. It’s not enough to strip the DE down to nothing but now even the code that worked with previous, gnome still widely used, is being dumped.
They are a little island unto themselves.
That’s a whole lot of waffle without saying anything of substance.
“Gnome apps are designed primarily to fit into Gnome 😡😡😡” is not what enshitification means.
Purposely breaking backwards compatibility knowing full well that other FLOSS DE’s rely on it is enshitification of the worst kind.
We all lose in the end.
Not 👏 what 👏 enshitification 👏 means 👏
Gnome can theme their own apps however they like. It’s their project.
Redhat already did it
even with all its faults and shitty maintainers, gnome is among the best ux of any de.
Another Snap/systemd hater idiot spotted. Bet you compile every single package with musl on Gentoo on your Libreboot toaster.
snaps (and the way canonical is pushing them) are awful at best. snaps are the one reason ive been meaning to hop right now, but its not the first time canonical pulls shit like this.
Snaps can sandbox system applications, with no competitor capable in sight. So what is this shit Canonical is pulling?
a) having apt packages link a script that downloads the snap. That’s the first problem I had, back when I used Ubuntu as as snaps were rolling out. It gave me big trouble updating on bad internet connection.
b) making the server fixed and proprietary, restricting the freedom to do things differently and offer different changes to other users, that we’re used to in the Linux and FOSS world
in addition to what the guy said:
how it doesnt respect standards like XDG, and how painfully slow it is.
No, it is not slow in performance. First time startup is just as slow on Flatpak.
not at all. speaking as someone who replaced snaps for flatpaks because of this.
I was using Snaps until last year just to know how they are doing. Snaps did not feel much slower. However, I felt like I became mature enough to use Debian, so jumped ship.
Gnome isn’t bad, at all. The team has caused controversy and made mistakes, but gnome’s experience is great.
Talking about ubuntu, snaps suck, and it is more “bloated” than what you’d expect, but still, ubuntu isn’t half bad. Is mint better for what the ubuntu audience wants? Yes. Does ubuntu still work well? Yes
And ubuntu server rocks
your autocorrect misspelled debian server in that last line there.
I tried Ubuntu again recently for the first time in years.
Between Snaps and having to create an account to get security updates, I quickly gave up on it.
Whatever the Steam Deck would be if Valve went full Linux desktop?
Android?
MiUi for sure
Oh definitely.
I still hate my old phone for locking ADB behind a Mi account registration and when I wanted to go into the theme settings some stupid marketplace app opened from which I could quit by hitting the back button to het to the actual android theme settings
sounds like a perfect opportunity to use this account to unlock the bootloader and swap out the os for something not enshittified
yeah, also the constant wait times when you install APK… it used to be a decent OS but starting with MiUi 11 they started really enshitifiying big time.
And now they changed the name to HyperOS (my dad has a phone with it installed and is constantly complaining about it)
Whatever SCO thought they were doing.
