For context: I habe a PC with an 8gb SSD and I somehow need to get an app on there that only has a flatpak release

  • rice@lemmy.orgEnglish
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    7 days ago

    It’s very efficient for what it does. and your programs will actually open.

  • macniel@feddit.org
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    9 days ago

    did you see those little < in front of the download sizes? org.kde.KStyle.Adwaita, org.kdePlatform.Locale, org.kde.Platform and com.ktechpit.torrhunt won’t be fully downloaded as those are possibly already installed and can be reused, so in the best case you only download org.freedesktop.Platform.GL.nvidia-570-86-16 fully.

    • lastweakness@lemm.ee
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      8 days ago

      There’s also deduplication across the different files. So you could even end up with less overall size over time if you use Flatpaks for everything.

  • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    9 days ago

    Personally I do like the ideas behind Snap/Flatpak. I think the sandboxing is a huge deal and will improve security going forward.

    • Captain Janeway@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      9 days ago

      In a world where space is usually the cheapest and most available hardware on a PC, I tend to agree. That being said, it’s the kind of solution that comes from engineers who put the onus on the hardware to make up for their shitty software. Engineers like me.

      • CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world
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        9 days ago

        In a world where space is usually the cheapest and most available hardware on a PC

        I read this in the movie trailer guy’s voice

      • rumschlumpel@feddit.org
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        9 days ago

        Yeah. Someone has to put in the work for packaging an application if you want it as a .deb/.rpm etc. package and deal with any bugs that might come up, and it’s not going to be me (speaking as a user, not a developer).

        That said, I also painted myself into a corner when it comes to harddrive space. LUKS can be complicated, man …

  • superkret@feddit.org
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    9 days ago

    I habe a PC with an 8gb SSD

    Are you using a first gen eeePC?
    I think I bought one of those for 40€, 12 years ago.

  • UnfortunateShort@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    9 days ago

    I hate it when people want to hate on something, yet get the platform or alternatively the proposition wrong. Because you will release stuff as a Flatpak and possibly on Flathub.

  • hendrik@palaver.p3x.deEnglish
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    9 days ago

    Lots of people seem to like it. I also use it for like 2 or 3 desktop apps, but it’s alao littering my filesystem with gigabytes of runtimes. And I believe I can salely remove Skype now…

      • Abnorc@lemm.ee
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        9 days ago

        No one does, but people like it when you install an application and it just works. It makes it easier to install applications regardless of which distro you’re on as well.

      • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
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        9 days ago

        The benefits easily outweighs the cost of some extra space use. We’re not talking about a lot here, after all, with dedupping, shared runtimes and what have you.

      • Overspark@feddit.nl
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        9 days ago

        Technically it’s empty space that’s being wasted, if you fill it up it’s being useful!

            • DaPorkchop_@lemmy.ml
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              9 days ago

              There is no reason that you couldn’t, for instance, bind-mount the host’s nvidia drivers into the container namespace when launching the flatpak. Would avoid having to download the driver again, and reduce runtime memory pressure since the driver code pages would be shared between everything again.

      • Björn Tantau@swg-empire.de
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        9 days ago

        I like flatpaks when they come from the developer. They are often more stable, up-to-date and complete than those from OS repositories.

        What I don’t like about them is when I have to fight the permissions. They’re often too tight and make integration with the rest of the OS too hard.

        • dustyData@lemmy.world
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          9 days ago

          Here’s a rarely known secret of the Linux world. Almost no software in a Linux system came from the developer.

          Every single distro, package manager or repository is handled by people who did not develop the software being packaged. The few exceptions are the software who distributes their own .deb/.rpm, appimage, flatpak or their own repository. But the bulk of tools, utilities and apps were handled by the people managing the distribution or the distro main repository. No sane developer has the team or the time to config, compile, package, and test their software to every single Linux distro that exists. Hence why Dev distributed versions are usually targeted to single channels and to specific distros and versions. Packages compatibility is a literal hell.

      • hendrik@palaver.p3x.deEnglish
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        9 days ago

        Idk, probably all the people who downvoted OP and the majority of people here on Lemmy I met in discussions about Flatpak & Co. And If I look at the average size of a modern Windows installation, I’d say at least 70% of desktop users to begin with.

  • Grass@sh.itjust.works
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    9 days ago

    its barely legible but isnt that still less than a gb? where you you even get an 8gb ssd? why would you use one outside of some specialized embedded application that shouldn’t even have a desktop interface? and even then why not something lighter than kde or gnome

    • Luffy@lemmy.mlOP
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      9 days ago

      where you you even get an 8gb ssd

      I bought a Fujitsu thin client for 30€, and I decided to spend the 5€ extra to get one with a drive (making it 30€ total.

      why would you use one outside of some specialized embedded application that shouldn’t even have a desktop interface?

      1. I have way too much free time

      2. I have no money

      3. Originally it should only have been a minimal void Linux install so it can connect to my local server via RDP. But I just realised that that futro s920 with 4 1,5ghz cores is actually way faster and more reliable than my 4th gen Intel i5 will ever be

      and even then why not something lighter than kde or gnome

      I ssh’d into the PC. It runs xfce4, and it is just made to display shortwave (an Internet radio player) in full screen on a cashier terminal screen that I ripped from the terminal assembly. I just needed the cheapest thing to run shortwave on so my father has an Internet radio, since the other 2 options were

      • buy a big ass Antenna for his normal radio, or

      • buy a used Internet radio for 200€ (this way it only cost about 90€), wait until its Server is shut down, and then somehow with a mix of wireshark, dns logging, and pure luck somehow locally rerout the domain that the radio tries to connects to, figure out what kind of json file I need to host on my local server in order to make it refresh it’s database of Radios, and maintain these IPs forever.

      also, please note, the image is in no way connected to this project, it just reminded me of it

      • smeg@feddit.ukEnglish
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        9 days ago

        Maybe get the cheapest micro sd card or usb drive you can find and install it on there? You could probably double your storage size for a couple of euros!

        • nekbardrun@lemmy.world
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          9 days ago

          Is 16 GB still in the market? I mostly find 32 or 64 GB for usb-stick.

          8GB is pretty much dead nowadays (and so is CD/DVD)

          (Honorable mention: RIP Floppy Disk )

    • Kbobabob@lemmy.world
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      9 days ago

      It’s also, of course, completely closed source so who knows what it’s doing when it’s running.

      Ah, yes. The Pinnacle of security