Reading about FOSS philosophy, degoogling, becoming against corporations, and now a full-blown woke communist (like Linus Torvalds)
I honestly don’t even know what a Marxist is.
I encourage you to go over to c/askchapo on hexbear.net if you are curious.
In my view Torvalds is more of a pragmatic stoicist.
Use the right tool for the job, I say.
I made a decent chunk of change with capitalism. I have a modest house and am well positioned for a middle-class retirement.
Now I work for the government in a field for which I find the capitalist options wanting.
I give away my programming guides for free online with no ads, but sell paper copies of the books for profit.
Could I make more money by charging for the online versions? Sure. But some things are worth more than money.
The quest for money doesn’t ruin everything, but it sure ruins a lot of things.
Bell Labs of yore would be my dream company to work for.
Marxists don’t argue for a deonotological disallowing of markets, but believe that those who own the markets should not thereby own the rest of society. I’m sure even you would agree that it would be better is everyone had the comfortable position that you do – and indeed we should move in that direction, even though we cannot simply decide that everyone will be wealthy tomorrow – but we all must work with the conditions we find ourselves in, including to transform those conditions over time.
I used linux for about the same time and i still think communsim is for genocide deniers
Follow the white rabbit: https://lemmy.world/post/5739196
Read lenin, not yannis.
Read lenin
Guess we’re just mask off Tankies on Lemmy huh?
I thought Tankie meant Stalinist not just Leninist.
I am a full blown capitalist, and I despise google and the entire online ad industry and its tracking, I’d say all of my apps (except for games) are foss or atleast somewhat open source
You’re not a full blown capitalist my friend
Im sure you know more about me then I do, But I wont get into this argument, seems pointless
You are probably right, it does seem kinda pointless. A full blown capitalist embraces capitalism to its fullest and believes in its values. FOSS kinda contradicts that and hurts capitalism. You should support the economy and pay other companies to develop, manage, license, (…) your software.
Did you see me ask for regulation againts it? I dont think so, again, this seems pointless
What kind of argument is seeing you pushing regulations against it? The question was if you are a full blown capitalist and if you support FOSS, you are most certainly not. You have to stop coming off as an american.
Im not an american.
Supporting foss doesnt make me not a capitalist, capitalism in its root is personal choice, and I choose FOSS over proprietery, and its fine
The root oft capitalism is not having options to freely choose …
On Lemmy? Shock
sorted by controversial and found this post. why? this is amazing
Context for those who are baffled (I was)
https://news.itsfoss.com/linus-torvalds-woke-communists/
No Linus hasn’t grabbed a red rag and isn’t off to foment revolution
Guy’s Finnish. The chances of him being actually communist are pretty much zero.
Changing your entire personality and opinions like that is a giant red flag.
You do know Capitalism was making the slave trade unfeasable. Technology is superior at mass production. It increasingly made sense to invest in machinery etc. The most skilled slaves were eventually given free reign and only had to pay a fee to their master. White nations and their Capitalist technology ended slavery - at least in the Western world.
Linux and open source in general completely blow apart capitalist arguments that profit motive is necessary for innovation and technological advancement. Open source ecosystem primarily run by volunteers has produces some of the most interesting and innovative technologies that we’ve seen. The reality is that people make interesting things because they’re curious and they enjoy making stuff. Pretty much nobody makes anything interesting with profit being the primary motive.
capitalist arguments that profit motive is necessary for innovation and technological advancement
I don’t know who is arguing this because it’s incredibly stupid. The greatest scientific minds of history, the mathematicians, the physicists, the inventors, were not capitalists, they’re people with passion for their work.
If we move to a society that guarantees basic human needs and good education, we’re only going to have more scientists and engineers that progress technology even faster.
Linux and open source in general completely blow apart capitalist arguments that profit motive
Wrong! Linux and open source only shows that the profit motive is not the only motive. One should broaden the definition of profit to encompass value in all its forms. ie A person can gain value from the satisfaction of DIY as it can be self-empowering. One can gain emotional value from sharing. It also invokes the law of reciprocation - value exchange but without a $ sign. The Open source ecosystem is also heavily funded by business who relies on open source components. It is a capital investment.
If the profit motive is not the only motive that drives innovation, as you just agreed, then it isn’t necessary, logically. And not sure why you would then go on to expand the definition of profit into meaninglessness after agreeing there are other motives.
What? How the f do you transition from ‘not only’ to ‘isn’t necessary’? That is not logic - that is mental gymnastics with a triple back flip! Profit is the PRIMARY motivator! People wish to move away from discomfort more than anything else. Currency is the best way of alleviating discomfort!
- If X is a necessary motive for Y, then in the absence of X, Y cannot happen.
- Innovation can happen in the absence of a profit motive.
- Therefore, the profit motive is not necessary for innovation.
People can grow food in the absence of technology - but subsistence living is a hell of time!
nb. Marxists still have no answer for the calculation problem.
So I guess you agree that the profit motive isn’t necessary, because you moved to a completely unrelated point
So I guess you cannot process anything other than black/white logical fallacies let alone analogies.
Also without open source the capitalist tech sector would collapse
It wouldn’t necessarily collapse (it wasn’t exactly suffering before FOSS stuff “hit the shelves”, so to speak) but the gatekeeping that comes with it would certainly cause a tremendous amount of stagnation
I work in software development. Almost all modern architecture would collapse without the open source ecosystem.
Isnt every important server run on linux?
Half the user-facing internet broke for a few hours when one guy withdrew a shitty one-liner piece of JavaScript (the whole leftpad thing) because someone somewhere added it as a dependency to a dependency to a dependency until it was pulled into an enormous frontend library. The internet relies more on random open source contributions than a lot of people are aware of.
I feel called out.
I’m not quite there yet but im definitly at the second to last block
Ironic as I went the other way. I was a Communist when I got into FOSS and as I got older I realized I could never defend the historical record of Communism.
you don’t have to defend the history of communism-aspiring countries to be in favor of communism ;)
