tty: imagine requiring graphics mode
how does having extensions that customize the desktop make it not customisable
Well, you rely on third party devs. So there might be conflicts or breakage when something updates and something doesn’t. Not sure how it is in reality, but this gnome stubbornness is quite off putting to me.
They’re not that common. In my experience a highly extension-ified gnome still manages to be simpler and more stable than KDE with all its native customizability.
I wonder what’s everyone doing with KDE? I’ve been using it for over 3 years on my PC and it was always rock solid for me. It’s openSUSE Tumbleweed with all AMD build.
Truth be told I don’t customize it heavily. Just minor tweaks here and there with the rest being default, which I find good enough.
I run arch and use the KDE beta package repo. Literally no problems. No idea what everyone is talking about here.
Ever modded a game?
Honestly the lack of customizability is the least of my worries with Gnome.
Why the FUCK doesn’t it have a SYSTEM TRAY without an extension?
Like it’s one thing to be minimalistic and opinionated.
It’s another thing entirely to opt out of basic system functionality that has been part of every OS since 1997. Like fuck.
Edit: Also how fun that this is how I find out Hyprland is cooked due to internet drama and 4chan bullshit.
What do you need a system tray for? It has a drop-down control center on the top-right. That mirrors most of the functionality from a system tray that I would need.
This kind of attitude is precisely what rubs me the wrong way about gnome.
Like nevermind customization. I care about it because I am literally this. But most people just want their OS to work and get out of the way so they can get to doing work or playing games or looking at hentai or whatever it is their do with their computer and I get and respect that.
It is true that Gnome’s control center can do a lot of things. All the integrated system functionality is there, as is the stuff for applications that are made FOR Gnome.
But the thing is. A lot of programmes that aren’t Gnome-centered, that are DE-agnostic or even System-Agnostic? They expect a system tray, because every OS has had something like it since 1997, and implement functionality expecting it to be there, with some configurations and such only being accessible through the tray icon. And Gnome’s general attitude to third party applications expecting something to be there is “fuck off, we don’t care, the third party application should adapt to how we do things, but if you REALLY need this thing we decided is worthless, you can install this janky third party extension to get it I guess”.
My choice for ‘gets out of the way’ would be something like Cinnamon. In my experience, Gnome does the opposite of getting out of the way, as a lot of basic functionality requires third party stuff. So in order to get things to work, if they aren’t specifically part of the Gnome ecossystem, you’ll have to spend time tinkering, and it’s not ‘tinkering for fun because I like coonfing’, it’s ‘tinkering out of necessity to get this thing to work properly’ which is not nice.
I haven’t had to use any application like that in a while, though I’m sure you’re right that they exist. Could you give me an example of an application feature that’s only accessible from the system tray?
Dropbox and MEGAsync, though I stopped using those late last year (switched to having an old laptop as a “home server” and using syncthing for backups) so maybe they changed since then. They were my ur-example for it, as I was still using them last time I tried gnome.
Lots of wine related things. Game clients and such. If wine can’t find a tray it drops a window on a corner with the tray icons which works but is inelegant
Then there’s programs that while absolutely usable without a tray, are just better if you have it. Steam for one, with a tray it lets you close out the main window(s) and then call up just the thing you want from the tray. AntimicroX too. A pair of electron apps like Heroic Launcher and Zapzap (a WhatsApp client) have troubleshooting things and configs on the tray icon, even if you can use them without that (or learn key shortcuts for the same function)
Hmmm alright I guess you laid out a pretty good argument. Even when I still used Windows I basically always ignored the system tray. I found it annoying and distracting. Didn’t even really notice it was gone when I started using Linux with GNOME.
Hyprland’s what?
“Is cooked”, meaning “Is in trouble” or “Is in some shit”.
Hyprland’s dev got themselves into some internet fight because they associated themselves with a transphobe and Freedesktop people decided this was enough.
As I understand, the person who ultimately made the decision to ban Vaxry was also on a massive power trip.
You’d imagine freeDesktop devs to be more mature about something like that compared to a young adult, and end up being wrong and unsurprised
Eh, I’ll be honest. Having read the posts here about the subject:
It does seem like Vaxry is just a well-meaning software dev caught up in shit he didn’t ask for. He wasn’t the person who made the comment for one thing.
But also I kinda get Freedesktop’s angle here, being a queer person myself. I’ve seen communities I previously cared about get ship-of-theseused into places that are deeply unwelcoming to people like me due to brushing off this kind of ‘joke’. You give the -phobes an inch they WILL take the entire road.
In my opinion everyone needs to be very private online, so i cant really relate.
But kinda see what you mean
[tongue click]
In another universe where things are entirely different, I might agree to the ‘people should be very private online’. Fuck, I’d even extend it to real life?
But we don’t live in that other universe, and in the universe we currently live, obnoxious behaviour from The Straights ™ isn’t considered obnoxious by 90% of society, whereas even the smallest bit of expression from a GSM person is seen as extravagant and explicit. Straight people can take advantage of the standard of ‘people should be private’ because their expression isn’t considered unprivate by most and the opposite isn’t true for us.
So $&*# that. I’ll be as loudly gay as I can be.
…Okay?
Gnome has an alternative for the system tray now. Caffeine uses it, it appears as a button in the control center.
That said, many people believe the system tray was a bad design decision, including Gnome.
Personally I don’t like applications going into the tray, I usually set them to quit when the window is closed where possible.
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Imagine not even noticing repetition being used deliberately…
“Calling out” gnome for needing extensions for customization seems stupid when those extensions are easy to find, easy to use, and work really well. On the other hand, I have not been able to find a taskbar for plasma that would let me group windows from an application together while also letting me rearrange the windows inside of a group. I know I need to try implementing it myself someday, but I feel like gnome ends up having more options.
It’s not about how many extensions there are. It’s about half of them breaking with each new version. Unless you like outdated systems, in which case you are fine.
I am always on the freshest Fedora Workstation, and all the extensions I use are always supported from the start. I don’t use that many to be honest. But, is extensions compatibility really an issue nowadays?
It just depends on the complexity or specific area an extension touches. The shell is continually changing somewhere.
Last version was a big deal for JavaScript itself changing, so all extensions needed some simple updates.
It can be. It depends on the extension dev.
It really depends on what you want. My experience with Gnome extensions has been rather frustrating. For example, finding a working and maintained extension for app indicators is a pain - and you have to do it again for each new release when inevitably the extension is no longer updated.
imagine being so uncustomizable that you’re customizable
Isn’t really a good argument, even though this is silly
Extensions break every update. Native customization doesn’t unless something dumb happened.
Laughs in three KDE screen magnifier.
Extensions are not equivalent to native customization, and both have pros and cons. On one hand, extensions provide a variety of features that can be added specific to people’s likings, but on the other hand, there are chances of incompatibility (in gnome shells for example) and delayed maintenance from developers (which results in having to wait for them to finish the work when dependency updates)
nah gnome should be a lot more open from the get-go and its screensharing is crap
Is this some GUI thing I’m too CLI to understand?
What’s the teardrop logo and why is it banned from FreeDesktop?
It’s Hyprland and Here’s explanation why he is banned. (Ofcourse he is toxic because he is a Anarchy Minecraft Player me too sadly but I am not toxic)
HYPRCURSOR NOW.
Imagine NOT being banned from FreeDesktop
After decades of using different window managers, fixing broken configs with major updates, fretting about multi monitor config etc I started using GNOME. It might not look as sleek but I’m a lot more productive now.
In the end I’m just glad we have so many choices.
I feel this, Gnone and it’s opinionated workflow “jusy get out of the way” in my experience
the majority of people don’t actually want choices though.
If they don’t want to choose, that’s fine by me. But why tf they didn’t want choice? They could just stick to whatever is the default and let others who wanted different choice have their way.
Them using gnome doesn’t stop you from using whatever you want actually.
Right now it’s pretty much how you want it to be.
I didn’t specifically comment on GNOME ma dude. Just the other commenter that said most people don’t want choice. I think it’s not “choice” but it should be “choose”. Having to choose can indeed become confusing, so there should be a default or pre chosen choice. Having no choice means you are locked in. Hence my comment. I am having no problem with people not wanting to choose, but people that do not want a choice is when I am starting to have a problem.
They don’t get a choice in that
I agree, but only on multi touch trackpad, regular mouse and keyboard it’s not great.
I went with XFCE for similar reasons. I played with various DEs at one point but after a while I realized I mostly just need an icon to click on to start the application I want to use.
Cinnamon is neat. That’s it
Cinnamon has become my, “I just need to get work done” DE.
I’m fine messing around with Plasma for my personal machines, but for my work laptop, LMDE with Cinnamon. Super stable, simple, it just works.
True. It’s Plasma without all the Plasma fluff. It works, it’s simple, lacks Wayland but it’s being worked on nicely.
I use Linux Mint as my daily driver, and honestly, it just works™ (except using CUDA heavily, but it’s mostly little hiccups). Tried switching to more power user distros, but always having to fix a little thing here and there is getting annoying.
I remember a HackerNews comment by the lead XFCE dev about how KDE was actually better optimized, because they have so many more devs working on it.
Imagine not playing games
You still play games?
yes
Imagine having rootkits and APTs on your system, just to play some overpriced games, which you are later, remotely stopped from playing.
why overpriced? I always pirate them but sadly pirated versions only work on Windows.
Pirated versions totally work on Linux. I do quite a bit of pirating.
It just takes a bit more effort to manage, but I use Lutris for my pirated titles.
I’d rather give my time and money to a game that I find worth paying for rather than pirating, but you do you.
Also, pirated games, like any other Windows program, work on Wine.All pirated version of Steam and GOG game work perfectly fine with Wine. If not just check out ProtonDB is it borked or not.
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Ok ive been driving xfce for years now i bewn thinking about something tiling thats equally as lite what u recommend. Also needs to be wayland compatable.
sway
